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Dr. Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 03:40 PM
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Bush Asking Pakistanis to Bomb North/South Pakistan: High Casualties
Edited on Fri May-05-06 04:09 PM by Dr. Jones
ON EDIT: After a quick re-read of this article, I discovered that Bush is ASKING PAKISTAN to aerial bomb certain areas of its own country. America will not be involved, at least on the level that it first appeared.

Sorry about that, sometimes things aren't always what they seem at first glance.


TRUTHOUT emailed me this story today. Note the bolded text below, that the civilian casualties would be considered "acceptable" because the civilians would simply be labeled as "Taliban sympathizers."

This is so sick and bizarre I can't even believe it's happening. In this case, Bush is prompting Pakistan to do this dirty work. But still, it's disgusting!


Acutely aware of this, the US is leaning heavily on Pakistan, its key ally in the "war on terror" in the region, to go on the offensive against the strong Taliban foothold in the North and South Waziristan tribal areas on the border with Afghanistan.

What the US is asking for, in effect, is a Tora Bora-style aerial bombing of the area, similar to that undertaken in the mountains of that name in Afghanistan during the rout of the Taliban five years ago. (Incidentally, al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden escaped from Tora Bora long before the bombs began to fall.)

The Taliban are integrated into the local population and there would be high civilian casualties. This is considered acceptable as civilians would be deemed Taliban sympathizers. 

Source: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/HE05Df02.html
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 03:42 PM
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1. WAG THE DOG!!!
:D
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 03:43 PM
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2. Can nothing satisfy Bush's thirst for human blood? n/t
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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 03:45 PM
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5. Maybe 6 billion dead humans
Maybe
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 04:05 PM
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18. At least we would be free. Our souls free from our bodies that is :(
That is what Bush means by bringing freedom to the world.
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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 06:03 PM
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29. Liberating = sending to heaven
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 06:09 PM
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30. Bingo, you got it ..... nt
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wake.up.america Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 03:43 PM
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3. This can't be true. The Taliban would go into the cities, have even more
Edited on Fri May-05-06 03:44 PM by wake.up.america
support after the bombing.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 03:46 PM
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7. That only matters if there were some rational outcome expected . . .
But these murderous fucks are only interested in appearances. They just noticed that they haven't caught Bin Laden yet and someone got the bright idea that they ought to be seen to be trying harder.

Since no bright idea is ever tested against reality in the Bush White House, they're just going to go ahead and do it.

Not to worry, the dead will all be brown people.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 03:44 PM
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4. NEXT ON HARDBALL - Bush to Bomb Massechusettes
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 03:46 PM
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6. Since they considered the people in the WTC expendable, a few
thousand Pakistani, or Iraqi, or Iranian civilians could not mean anything to them. :mad: :puke: :grr: :nuke: :cry: :banghead:
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 03:47 PM
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8. I swear, these people that claim to represent America are Sick!
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 03:48 PM
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9. This is considered acceptable - the notion of this is heinous
If Taliban-like individuals move into your neighborhood, you are considered sympathizers and bombing you and your children to death is considered "acceptable." We have fallen beyond the depravity I could have ever imagined as a child -- and I was a *very* imaginative and anarchistic child.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 03:55 PM
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12. Pakistanis won't take too kindly to being bombed.
This is a country that is deeply devided regarding it's support of the US Neo Fascist Govt. Their leader has had three assasination attempts on him. He is a Dictator that is on shaky ground (Pun intended.) This is another insane move of the Neo Fascist Regime of the USA.
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patcox2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 04:04 PM
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17. Its not that evil, really.
You don't live in a tribe. So, in your neighborhood, each house is autonomous and apart.

But more importantly, these tribes aren't just neighbors, they are actively sheltering Bin Laden.

Think of it this way, if Bin Laden moved next door to you, and you kept that secret, and everyone in your neighborhood, knowing it, agreed to keep it secret, because he was your "guest," I wouldn't have any problem with bombing your neighborhood.
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 04:10 PM
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19. Do you suppose the Taliban would leave if asked? Just curious
Edited on Fri May-05-06 05:04 PM by Sinti
I might live in a tribe, how do you know :P
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Hatalles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 04:33 PM
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20. You have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about...
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 04:51 PM
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23. Wow. I guess I'll have to regard your neighborhood similarly.
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 05:00 PM
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26. That is of course what the Nazis said about the Resistance
collective punishment is a WAR CRIME.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 03:49 PM
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10. kill kill kill
damn, these people make me ill.
so vile
:puke:
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 03:53 PM
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11. Where does Bush gets these things from? Face it this would
really put the President in a fix. They do not like him so much now and he came in as a military take over. He would have to be nuts to let Bush bomb his country.
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grottieyottie Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 03:55 PM
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13. bulls...
And the TALIBAN are not even on the US terrorist list.

You tell me.

Taliban not terrorists?

Christian Science Monitor
Terrorism & Security
posted May 2, 2006 at 12:00 p.m.

US does not consider Taliban terrorists

Even as the Taliban attacks US, Canadian, and British forces, organization is left off terrorist list in 'political' decision.

By Tom Regan | csmonitor.com

When the US State Department issued its annual Country Reports on Terrorism last Friday, it listed numerous state-sponsors of terrorism, like Iran, and groups it considers foreign terrorist organizations, like Hamas, Al Qaeda, and Hizbullah. Conspiciously absent from the lists, however, was the Taliban.

In an article entitled "Terrorism's Dubious 'A' List," the non-partisan Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) reports that the religious extremist organization has never been listed as a terrorist group by the US, Britain, the EU, Canada, Australia, or any of the coalition partners, despite the fact that during its six year rule in Afghanistan, it provided save haven for Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda, and currently is staging terrorist attacks against coalition forces and waging a national campaign of intimidation and fear.

SNIP

http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php/2006050312421576


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Dr. Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 04:00 PM
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14. When I saw Fahrenheit 911,
I learned that the Taliban had been invited to the U.S. I learned that they had ties to the Carlyle Group. Something is up with the Taliban, something ugly.
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 04:44 PM
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21. This was for a pipeline deal, hammered out long before 9/11
Here is part of the story:
http://www.alternet.org/story/12525/
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grottieyottie Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 04:58 PM
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25. t
What's your point?

Long before is a free ride?

The Taliban blew up Buddha with international outrage whilst America raped Babylon with a snicker and a nod?

The true terrorists - the right wing nasty fuckers who blow up fed buildings and the Poppy lovin' Taliban controllers of drug central are friends of the administration.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 04:52 PM
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24. Not merely "the U.S."; TEXAS.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 04:01 PM
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15. Bush has many troubles, Rove hasn't been indicted yet, who can I bomb?
Maybe hurricane season will cause further destuction directing MSM to other sources for your news listening pleasures.

Bush currently making things worse for Republican's who may be out of their jobs after November!

Bush, I need to bomb some-thing, somebody...
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patcox2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 04:02 PM
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16. Sign of desperation, willing to risk losing Pakistan.
Here is whats going on:

1. The reason Bush has not captured Bin Laden has to do with Pakistani politics and the fact Pakistan has nukes. If Musharraf is seen asn having helped the US capture or kill Bin Laden, muslim's sympathetic to al queda may seize control of the country; yes, there is a real possibility it would result in al-queda having control of nukes.

2. Bush has, because of this situation, let Bin Laden stay there in Pakistan. He would have gone after him all these years, but he couldn't because of the above situation.

3. Election desperation has set in, and Bush might now be ready to risk it. He needs to do something big before the election, and capturing Bin Laden would be a good one.

If Al queada sympathizers gain control of Pakistan and its nukes, god knows what could happen. Nuclear war being a possibility. But Bush's dismal poll numbers might have him desperate enough to risk it.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 04:45 PM
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22. There's an Idea!!!!
Lets ask Pakistan to bomb itself!!!!
Now THATS thinking Out of the Box!

/sarcasm
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 05:52 PM
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27. This is Taliban Propaganda
this is hardly credible. I too have a tin-foil hat but come on...

"Across the jihadi world, there is a strong conviction that by the end of this year Taliban leader Mullah Omar will be back in power in Afghanistan, from where he was driven by US-led forces in 2001."

Seriously, I'd like to see some sources with higher credibility before I believe this (though I would not put it past us or Pakistan).
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 05:59 PM
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28. I wouldn't have any problem with bombing your neighborhood.
The US had no qualms about bombing a neighborhood where they thought Saddam was.

They killed a few neighbors but so what! :nopity:
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-05-06 07:22 PM
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31. Of course, we attack civilians...
We did it in Fallujah, we did it in Afghanistan and we just recently bombed the living hell out of an innocent family in Pakistan. However, that does not change the fact that this particular piece is Taliban Propaganda. Until there is some sort of corroboration on the story, why should I believe anything in this piece is true.

If true, there are other credible sources (sadly, very few in the U.S.) that can vouch for this story. This could also be our Propaganda as well, written to lure rebels to "Waziristan" in order to attack them. Who knows but without corroboration, this info is worthless.
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