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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 02:44 AM
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I think I'm becoming more of an isolationist every day
Maybe it's time we in America just mind our own business and tend to our own affairs for awhile. No more worrying about geo-politics anymore.

I favor a lock, stock and barrel pullout of Iraq.

I think the UN has very little real power, and its ability to do good in the world is often overestimated by the Left.

I oppose American military intervention in Darfur.

I am against NAFTA, CAFTA and GATT. Am I a protectionist? You damn well bet I am! I will never apologize for wanting to protect American jobs.
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rawtribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 03:05 AM
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1. I agree we shouldn't be the center of the universe
Whenever life gets you down, Mrs. Brown,
And things seem hard or tough,
And people are stupid, obnoxious or daft,

And you feel that you've had quite eno-o-o-o-o-ough,

Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And reolving at nine thousand miles an hour.
It's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned,
The sun that is the source of all our power.
Now the sun, and you and me, and all the stars that we can see,
Are moving at a million miles a day,
In the outer spiral arm, at fourteen thousand miles an hour,
Of a galaxy we call the Milky Way.

Our galaxy itself contains a hundred million stars;
It's a hundred thousand light-years side to side;
It bulges in the middle sixteen thousand light-years thick,
But out by us it's just three thousand light-years wide.
We're thirty thousand light-years from Galactic Central Point,
We go 'round every two hundred million years;
And our galaxy itself is one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.



Our universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding,
In all of the directions it can whiz;
As fast as it can go, that's the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute and that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth;
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth!
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 03:17 AM
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2. I think we need our own version of the EU in the Americas
They are our natural trading partners... Bush's policies and ignorance have fostered no goodwill in the region.

Let's not even talk about trade!

Imagine a strong AU stretching from Alask to the Cape
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Dr. Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 06:45 PM
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19. Actually Bush is pusing for the FTAA
(Free Trade Area of the Americas) which is why he isn't doing squat to police our borders. See what the FTAA is all about at www.stoptheftaa.org
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Appalachian_American Donating Member (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 03:37 AM
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3. I agree with you on everything except Darfur.
What if the U.S. had ignored the Holocaust?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 03:51 AM
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5. I never said ignore it
But no troops. Facilitating diplomacy is one thing, or dropping some sacks of food in the area is fine, but no troops. None. Then it turns into nation-building, imperialist conquest, etc. even if we don't mean it to. No troops. None.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 03:57 AM
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6. Why does it always have to be the US that intervenes?
Why can't some other country intervene in Darfur? When did it become America's exclusive responsibility to police the world?

Let China help them out. They could cash in some of their US Treasury bonds to pay for it.
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 07:41 AM
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11. We did...
until it was almost too late.

A belated welcome, by the way! :toast:

Jenn
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 07:45 AM
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12. America did ignore the Halocaust for some time
Some Americans, like Prescott Bush, supported the Hitler war machine. We only declared war on Germany after we were attacked by Japan. And if people looked back in our history Americans did not like Jews much, except in places like NYC, just as they did not like Catholics in the South.

My point is just as the Civil War was not waged to end slavery, WWII was not waged to stop the Halocaust.

And America has always ignored "problems" in Africa, whether it is Apartheid in South Africa, corrupt dictators, Rowanda, poverty, famine, and disease.

edit note: By America I mean our government.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 03:41 AM
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4. We can make a positive impact in the world
by asking other nations how we can help them. we never think to do that.
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michael_1166 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 04:28 AM
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7. I like this idea.
From my European perspective, that would be seen as a very welcome move of showing some humbleness, regarding how much the U.S. has messed things up recently.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 07:36 AM
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10. We're a greedy nation of business men. For every one dollar
we give we want two back. Screwing people is good business.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 06:16 PM
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17. their consumer base is shrinking.
Edited on Sun May-07-06 06:17 PM by rucky
if they were smart businenesspeople, they'd be hell bent on growing the middle class here and elsewhere. Instead, they cheap out for short-term gain, and send us on a race to the bottom.

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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 07:13 AM
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8. It is a temptation
to say we don't need the rest of the world. I'll bet as a people we could manage just fine.

But I know that is unrealistic.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 07:30 AM
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9. What are you, some kind of communist?
;) god wants the entire world to be free. I know this because george bush told me so. It's America's duty to export freedom whether they want it or not. These countries have a choice, they can be with us or against us, they can embrace freedom willingly or we can blow the shit out of them to MAKE them free! That's god's will! This isolationist stuff..........forget it. We HAVE to be the world's policeman (at least in the countries that have oil) or the terrorists have won! We fight them there or we fight them here. Make your choice comrade "live and let live". Better dead than red!

As if you need the :sarcasm: emoticon but it's early in the morning. Someone might not get it. ;)
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 07:52 AM
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14. I want some of what you're smokin'
if you believe that GWB is exporting freedom.... LOL
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 07:50 AM
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13. We're not getting off this road
We've been on it since civilization(s) began. There wouldn't be an America without it.

Not that I don't agree with you.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 04:42 PM
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15. kick
:kick:
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 05:38 PM
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16. We would need to come up with a logical system of trade barriers
Edited on Sun May-07-06 05:39 PM by wuushew
since material costs DO effect the number of people hired in manufacturing why does this country maintain high tariffs on things like sugar? High input costs are certainly motivating the candy and confectionery industry to move to Canada.

Also globalization is a scam, the Chinese are no more efficient per unit of human input at making tv sets than Americans. Certainly lacking safety standards, environmental protections and relative currency strength makes them money "efficient" in terms of the gains that U.S. corporations can expect to see.

A diverse and healthy economy would make almost everything it needs locally, importing only things that we lack or are a unique or exotic in nature. If such planning of economic scope is beyond human ability I propose taxing corporations that outsource at a rate nearly equal to the savings that they realize, and cutting checks to average Americans as part of a guaranteed minimum income.

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Dr. Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 06:42 PM
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18. K&R and thanks. WELL SAID!
I am against NAFTA, CAFTA and GATT. Am I a protectionist? You damn well bet I am! I will never apologize for wanting to protect American jobs.

:toast:
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