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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 04:13 PM
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Hayden has a problem with our constitution. Never forget it. Never let him
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 04:21 PM
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1. nudge
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 04:36 PM
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2. Massive punt....keep THIS in mind, too
He is in direct contravention of an oath that he took, and swore to uphold. He raised his right hand, and signed on the dotted line, to preserve, protect and DEFEND the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

His ass needs a courts-martial.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 04:42 PM
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3. to put it mildly. :)
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 04:47 PM
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4. I couldn't get any sound on that clip
summary please.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 04:50 PM
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5. try it again - sound doesn't start until Keith Olbermann comes on
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 05:04 PM
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10. here's a transcript along with an alternate link to the video
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My understanding is that the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution specifies that you must have probable cause to be able to do a search that does not violate an American‘s right against unlawful searches and seizures. Do you use...

GEN. MICHAEL HAYDEN: Well, actually, the Fourth Amendment actually protects all of us against unreasonable search and seizure. That‘s what it says.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But the measure is probable cause, I believe.

HAYDEN: The amendment says unreasonable search and seizure.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But does it not say probable...

HAYDEN: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... the court standard...

HAYDEN: The amendment says...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... the legal standard...

HAYDEN: ... unreasonable search and seizure.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... the legal standard is probable cause.

HAYDEN: Just o be very clear—and believe me, if there‘s any amendment to the Constitution that employees of the National Security Agency are familiar with, it‘s the Fourth. And it is a reasonableness standard in the Fourth Amendment.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

OLBERMANN: To quote the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States in its entirety, the one the general and the NSA folks are so familiar with and know is about reasonableness and not about probable cause, quote, “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

Well, maybe they have a different Constitution over there at the NSA.

http://www.kbcafe.com/politics/?guid=20060126195835
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 05:23 PM
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14. These guys cherry-pick everything to meet their needs
They cherry-pick intell that sends our GI's to kill & die in a foreign land

They cherry-pick verses of the Bible to justify their fascist behavior

They cherry-pick phrases from the Constitution to sell their lies.



I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!!!!!!!!!!




Thanks for the transcript, helderheid. These guys really burn my bottom.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 08:31 PM
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18. I hear ya - and my pleasure.
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 06:32 PM
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16. But that warrant thing is superfluous......
:sarcasm:

the answer is just do it without a warrant.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 06:40 PM
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17. ugghhh - I laughed because I don't want to cry!!
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 07:02 PM
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21. Unfortunately, that is the way they think
just like the way they read "the right to bear arms" w/out "A well regulated militia being necessary ..."
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 04:59 PM
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6. Both the n#1 and n#2 in the CIA will be military. I believe that is
against regulations (the law). Of course bush will do an Executive Order making it legal.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 05:00 PM
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7. I didn't know that was illegal (though it makes sense!)
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 05:01 PM
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8. Let's see if this is made an issue.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 05:03 PM
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9. Executive Order =
Royal Decree
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 05:13 PM
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11. The Law cannot be negated by deeming it
retroactive. The FISA Law was violated at least 32 times by NSA in concert with Busholini and the Junta. Congress is merely ignoring this as they have been ignoring a whole lot of other criminal acts of the Neo Fascist Regime.
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 05:14 PM
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12. Three goods things about Gen'l Hayden
1. He went to the same high school as the Miami Dolphins' Dan Marino (North Catholic in Pittsburgh)

2. He went to Duquesne University in Pittsburgh (BA and MA in history)

3. His family were unionized, working people - United Steel Workers of America.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 05:16 PM
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13. 1 bad thing about Hayden
He doesn't understand the 4th amendment. ;)
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 05:54 PM
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15. That's cause he didn't go to the Law School
Edited on Sun May-07-06 06:03 PM by Coastie for Truth
he went to the School of Arts and Sciences.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 11:30 PM
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19. kick and I ask for 3 more recommends
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-07-06 11:33 PM
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20. or 2
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