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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 12:20 PM
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tompaine.com RAY MCGOVERN: My meeting with Rumsfeld.
My Meeting With Rumsfeld
Ray McGovern
May 08, 2006

Ray McGovern works with Tell the Word, the publishing arm of the ecumenical Church of the Saviour. A 27-year veteran of CIA’s analyst ranks, he now serves on the Steering Group of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity.
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When those friends learned last Monday that Rumsfeld would be in Atlanta Thursday to give an afternoon speech at the Center, it seemed a natural to go. The event was said to be open to the public, but it took tradecraft skills assimilated over a 27-year career with the CIA to acquire a ticket. (The event was strangely absent from the Center’s website, reportedly at the insistence of the Defense Department.)

The fact that my presence there was pure coincidence turned out to be a huge disappointment for those who began interviews later that day by insisting I tell them why I had stalked Rumsfeld all the way from Washington to Atlanta. Especially people like Paula Zahn, who asked me on Thursday evening "what kind of axe" I had to grind with him.
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That evening a friend emailed me about a call she got from a close associate in “upper management at CNN” to ask about me. She quoted the CNN manager: “We checked and double-checked everything this guy had to say and he was 100 percent accurate.” He then asked if those protesting the war “were getting organized or something.” She responded, “Indeed we are and have been for some time, and it’s about time the mainstream media caught up.”
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/05/08/my_meeting_with_rumsfeld.php

BEST VERSION OF RAY MCGOVERN RUMMY SMACKDOWN HERE: http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002783.htm
shows complete question Ray asked.

Link to Ray McGovern thankyou site here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=106x28005

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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 12:48 PM
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1. What I found scary
was that only one person would make eye contact with him after the event, and that they berated him. McGovern also said it brought to mind meetings in Germany during the 30s.....scary stuff.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 12:53 PM
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2. It was a highly partisan event. It took guts to stand up and smack Rummy.
As Mcgovern said, it took all 27 years of his tradecraft to get a ticket.

The croud was VERY hostile to him...and the jackass who asked a question after took a pot shot at him.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 01:20 PM
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6. I had heard it was largely an audience
of Affluent Republicans, and that sounds about right for them....
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FuzzyDicePHL Donating Member (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 12:57 PM
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3. Great column
Thanks for posting the link.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 01:06 PM
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4. Yes, Rumsfeld lied-so did many others. K&R.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 01:18 PM
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5. Yes. The beautiful thing about what Ray did was to demonstrate the lie
in simple and undeniable terms.

The funniest part about his description is how CNN had to come to him to get "sources" for his facts, and acted surprised when everything checked out!!

Funny, and maybe sad as well.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 01:29 PM
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7. I saw Ray interviewed by that insufferale ( now bow-tieless boy)
a couple of nights ago. It was great and Ray smacked the crap out of ol Tucker.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 01:55 PM
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9. I'd like to catch that if you have a link! n/t
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:28 PM
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10. "I'd like to catch that if you have a link!"
It was on MSNBC last week...5/4

Tucker Carlson's show 11pm est

Maybe the is a clip somewhere on the web or at MSNBC's site.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 01:41 PM
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8. Funny and frightening
Indeed
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:39 PM
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11. I just noticed that Ray will be on Randi Rhodes today @5 n/t
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:42 PM
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12. Yep - am listening n/t
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 05:11 PM
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13. Ray will be on CNN Lou Dobbs this hour n/t
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 06:29 PM
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14. I missed it, didn't I. How was it?
I missed Randi Rhodes also. :(
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:44 PM
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15. Is it acceptable to kick your own topic?
If not, oh well.
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