The 2006 Election is over, they won. It's all over but the counting...

and they'll take care of the counting.

OK, so what Rep. King (R-NY) actually said at a 2003 White House BBQ is

"It's over, the election is over, we won." "It's all over but the counting, and we'll take care of the counting."

See the video for yourself here:

http://www.freepressinternational.com/pete.299880.ny.129501.html

Feingold was asked today about the voting machines. He assured us that once we win in 2006 and take back the house, we'll do something about the machines. Anyone else have a problem with his logic?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1132569&mesg_id=1132569

EDITED TO ADD - THIS DOES NOT LET YOU OFF THE HOOK - VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE AS IF YOUR BALLOT COUNTS!!! VOTE!!!

Short of setting fire to the machines or tossing them into Boston harbor, there's little that can be done to stop them.

Of course, we should all try anyway - every vote saved is worth it.

Boston Harbor has enough poluttion! You can throw all the Diebold machines you want into the Great Salt Lake if you want. They're Bushies anyhow--they can keep the detritus.

…but they would just respond by denying Democratic districts enough machines
(shifting them to Republican districts if necessary).

:)

Despite public fears the bond issue could become a glorified GOP slush fund, Issue One was supported by organized labor. A poll run on the front page of the Columbus Dispatch on Sunday, November 6, showed Issue One passing with 53% of the vote. Official tallies showed Issue One passing with 54% of the vote.

The polling used by the Dispatch had wrapped up the Thursday before the Tuesday election. Its precision on Issue One was consistent with the Dispatch's historic polling abilities, which have been uncannily accurate for decades. This poll was based on 1872 registered Ohio voters, with a margin of error at plus/minus 2.5 percentage points and a 95% confidence interval. The Issue One outcome would appear to confirm the Dispatch polling operation as the state's gold standard.

But Issues 2-5 are another story.

The Dispatch's Sunday headline showed "3 issues on way to passage." The headline referred to Issues One, Two and Three. As mentioned, the poll was dead-on accurate for Issue One.

Issues Two-Five were meant to reform Ohio's electoral process, which has been under intense fire since 2004. The issues were very heavily contested. They were backed by Reform Ohio Now, a well-funded bi-partisan statewide effort meant to bring some semblance of reliability back to the state's vote count. Many of the state's best-known moderate public figures from both sides of the aisle were prominent in the effort. Their effort came largely in response to the stolen 2004 presidential vote count that gave George W. Bush a second term and led to U.S. history's first Congressional challenge to the seating of a state's delegation to the Electoral College.

Issue Two was designed to make it easier for Ohioans to vote early, by mail or in person. By election day, much of what it proposed was already put into law by the state legislature. Like Issue One, it was opposed by the Christian Right. But it had broad support from a wide range of Ohio citizen groups. In a conversation the day before the vote, Bill Todd, a primary official spokesperson for the opposition to Issues Two through Five, told attorney Cliff Arnebeck that he believed Issues Two and Three would pass.

The November 6 Dispatch poll showed Issue Two passing by a vote of 59% to 33%, with about 8% undecided, an even broader margin than that predicted for Issue One.

But on November 8, the official vote count showed Issue Two going down to defeat by the astonishing margin of 63.5% against, with just 36.5% in favor. To say the outcome is a virtual statistical impossibility is to understate the case. For the official vote count to square with the pre-vote Dispatch poll, support for the Issue had to drop more than 22 points, with virtually all the undecideds apparently going into the "no" column.

The numbers on Issue Three are even less likely.


http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/1559

Even throwing the voting machinez into Lake Erie wouldn't help.
They would just allocate the remaining machinez to Republican areas
and let the lines run for hours in Democratic areas.

I think the only hope for Ohio, and it's not much of one,
is that Blackwell gets caught red-handed stealing votes.
He is going to have to steal move votes than ever before this time.
Maybe he'll make a mistake.

By all means vote. Make them go to the trouble of stealing it!

polls and the votes there aren't immediate investigations? Ukraine anyone?

There can be no investigation as long as they remain in power.
They can remain in power as long as their is no investigation.

issues go down the drain if our votes don't count.

And I completely agree, VOTE ANYWAY. We can't catch them stealing it if we just give it to them.

heard the outrage and THAT was his answer :crazy:

its damn near impossible to prove, because we can't see the code.

Recommended!

:)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1135049&mesg_id=1135049

That video still makes me cry!

I'll vote. Yeah, I'll do it again for the umpteenth time. But this time my confidence is sorely lacking. But at least the code is known, here. And a paper trail is gonna be audited, so there is, this time, a possible recourse, so things are better. I feel for those with no improvements.

And it is true that all our shouts are being heard, our protests have gained attention, and more people are more aware.

Things, as far as the counting process, are better. So why do I still have this hole eating away at my heart?

Yeah, I'll vote.

votes that they audit? That is TERRIFIC!!

if they have to crawl and I mean everyone.

Edited to Add: Thinking of volunteering to pick-up those iffy about voting, the ones that gave-up voting long ago. If I had the resources, I'd run an add so people would know and rent a darn bus to get them there.

we will know that democracy, "the grand experiment", is truly over.

and the Iraq mess hadn't quite gone SPLAT yet, and Katrina was just some girl's name then, and... et cetera.

…since '04, with more on the way.

if the Repubs still win in 2006, we know that democracy in the US is a fiction written by computer programmers and corporation heads.

ya!

as in "I really mean it this time!" After that comes the "I really, REALLY mean it this time!", followed by the 1) nonsensical ultimatum, 2) the vain threats to commit self-harm if we don't get our way, 3) the leverage-free pitiful attempts at negotiation, then, finally, 4) the willingness to accept any scraps or trappings preserving the superficial appearance of democracy.

Then we fight with the dogs on the floor for whatever bones are thrown to us.

So, yeah, there's a lot riding on this year's election.

Namaste!

yes i do have a problem with feingolds statement

The exidence is there! The outrage is there! What is wrong with them??

i talk to someone at dnc and said the election was stolen adn she said.... of course it was. to me, that sounds like they are aware. so do something

all during kerry campaign i was hoping and praying they took it seriously and had a plan in effect.

i dont get it.

during the campaign there were so many illegal things repugs were doing and i didnt get why dems didnt take these things seriously. and then since. i wondered if we were being played, but more what i found is the bubble effect. being in hteir tight circle they dont see, they dont believe. it is like a local campaign for state rep. both repugs. i worked for the challenger. (cant have dems run in this area they will lose, so i keep being told). the machines came into town for this election and they are talking how nifty they are. governor and other old hats told the people in this area to go back the incumbent two weeks before election. i told them to watch those machines and everyone looked at me like i was daft.

it really feels like the people in the system jsut do not believe a large scale theft will be done. when they are talking about voting problems, they dont seem to be talking wide scale theft, they seem to be talking poor computer performance. that is the feel i get

it seems to me that not only we the nation, but our dem candidates have bought into cant trust the exit polls, that we shouldnt have them, that they arent useful. i am getting an uncomfortable feeling that we may just ditch them.

and audit,.... how does that do us any good. ohio admittedly did a poor recount even though they were paid the money to do it and nobody did anything.

all i can say, .... is this 2006 is instrumental in showing the theft and poor preformance of the machines. and even if they do the theft, this is the one they get caught on. just the universal feel of the last handful of years.

remember the election recently in nc. across the nation the dems were winning. there too. people said see they are not stealing. i think they were in nc, just couldnt steal enough. i think repugs know they are going ot have to steal a lot. that is going to make it even more sloppy than past and people, the american people have switched sides. the majority believe now a days, (opposed to nov 3 2004) that 2004 was stolen

We need to make sure exit polls are ALWAYS in place ( I'll raise money for those!) and that any audit is well outside the margin of error.

The Repubicans hold every statewide office.
They have total control of the voting machinez.

What can the Democratic party do?

and I'm still disgusted.

http://www.davedenenberg.com/

(he is starting late, they will be adding donate function by next week)

They are in too deep. They CANNOT give up power. EVER. If they do, they would face trial for treason, war crimes,
murder, torture, kidnapping, theft, embezzlement, fraud, extortion, blackmail, bribery, illegal wiretapping and the ever-popular tax-evasion.

No matter how far ahead we are in the polls on Election Day,
we will be presented with results that show the Republicans won.
The media will have a ready explanation for the descrepancy, and many will accept it at face value.

If that doesn't fly, Boosh**'s only other choice is to start World War III :nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke:
declare martial law,
and declare himself pResident-for-life

I mean maybe somehow we can beat them at their own game. Get into the code on the Diebold machines and really
mess with the results.

Make things look so preposterous that the American people would have to notice.