Sen. Clinton Says Bush Has Charm, Charisma

Asked to say one nice thing about President Bush, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton went one better: She named two things. He is someone who has a lot of charm and charisma, and I think in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, I was very grateful to him for his support for New York," Clinton said Tuesday night during a talk at the National Archives about her life in politics.

Clinton, a potential presidential candidate in 2008, said that despite their "many disagreements about many, many issues," she has always had a good personal relationship with the president. "He's been very willing to talk. He's been affable. He's been good company," said Clinton, D-N.Y. The junior senator from New York, who is up for re-election this year, said she is still thankful for Bush's personal commitment to helping rebuild lower Manhattan after Sept. 11, 2001.

She recalled how the president, in the grim days that followed the terror attacks, pledged in a private meeting with New York lawmakers to help rebuild the shattered city. "It was a very personal, very emotional discussion and when we asked him for the help that New York needed he immediately said yes," said Clinton. At that meeting, Bush pledged more than $20 billion in aid and tax incentives. Some New York Democrats have since charged the Bush administration has fallen billions of dollars short of that goal because some of the programs were underused, but Clinton said the president kept his promise.

"He always kept it on track," she said. "He made sure we got the resources that we needed and I'm very grateful to him for that. ... I am very appreciative in the time when the people I represented needed his help, he was there for us."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060510/ap_on_go_co/hillary_clinton_bush_3

Redstone

she's toast

We can do SO much better. Shameless pandering makes me sick.

being a little silly and absolute on this issue.

Everyone has always said that he is a likable guy. What do you want ther to say he's an asshole in the media? Apparently DUers are a way to hastey to hate their own.

Ted Bundy had charm too. That is how he was able to trick so many. Can't you see a correlation? Why would you hate her for saying something that is truthful?

GEEZ WTF is going on here on this fuckin board.

Sometimes I think you're my evil twin :D

:hi:

She sure sees stuff that I can't see.

Must make her a leader.

Sheesh.

I think they mean as a substitute for brains.

He does have a certain charisma, and for those who can't get past that, that's all they need.

if you want to get technical about it

Ironically, so do some good leaders. The trouble happens because it's very difficult to tell the difference untill it's too late!

ergo his ability to fool the masses.

his "I'm just a regular guy" with his fake Texas accent

His ability to have fooled people is failing.

A lady I work with who voted for Bush said she "made a mistake", I told her next time she should listen to me and I'll tell her who to vote for" she laughed

:mad: :nuke: BURN HER!!! :nuke: :mad:

they want you to run more than anyone I've talked to. Even in the state you're a Senator in.

You TELL her! :mad:

I've been laughing for five minutes before I could post. Good one!!

The office deserves respect. but not him. Merciful heaven say something non-committal - but not charm and charisma that's over the line into fawning talk. - Really the best I could say is that he watches his weight and gets a lot of exercise.

I get a news crawl from the internet sever - the last few minutes I've seen Hillary says Bush has charm and charisma roll over the top of my computer twice. It didn't get any better to look at the second time.

It is *because* the office deserves respect that we have NO respect for the squatter who is currently defiling the office. He is not someone with whom we have simple policy disagreements, no, the bush* b@st@rd has intentionally set about destroying the Constitution and our very democratic rule that we have lived under for more than 200 years.

The bush* regime is *THE* most vile thing that has happened within the WH for more than 200 years. Jesus, I don't know if we will be able to recover from the harm that he has done.

People know what Bush is by now. That isn't going to change because Hillary was gracious enough to say he has charm and charisma. What it does do is make Hillary look reasonable and mature, like someone who can work with others, which I believe she is.

And what it will do in the broader sense is even bigger, though unmeasureable - it will either remind or inform people that fuckups like Bush, and so many Republican politicians, can be charming and charismatic, and be really bad for us all. That can't help but lift some of the veils that many people perceive our politics through. I can easily picture people who don't understand much about politics saying 'Yeah he sounds like a nice guy, but I thought that about Bush and look where it got me.' about the next Republican smarmy-values mouthpiece.

Reagan's charism and charm started us down this destructive path. I'd like nothing better than for Republican charisma and charm to become associated with George W. Bush and his legacy.

asshat in the media and fuck it up for all Democrats.

OH MY GHOD. I don't get the people here @ all. NO MATURITY @ all. It is like romper room for toddlers and pre-teens.

BTW wanna pull my finger? :rofl: :woohoo: ;) :P

<teasing!> :hi:

to seriously should pull my finger.

Apes don't make good politicians...or pResidents!

He's always come across as a phony to me. I don't buy the regular guy, absent-minded act. I can "look into his soul," and what I see is a garden variety asshole.

I can't begin to describe the screaming responses I got back then after September 11 when I told people "this isn't going to make Bush any smarter."

But I was right, wasn't I?

redstone

causing dozens of deaths so far and potentially hundreds or thousands of deaths of heroes who responded to 9/11 without flying to hidey holes....:eyes:

If Hillary is the candidate, I will vote Third Party.

I wanted to vote for a Democrat in my first presidential election but if she is the nominee, I guess I will have to wait.

As much as I don't want another repug in office, Hillary is about the last democrat I'd want as president.

john anderson in 80.

and if they foist hillary upon us- i'll be going third party in 08.

"New Orleans, on the other hand, has been strongly encouraged
to go fuck itself."

And as far as Hillary's comment- pfft.
I'm not even a politician, and I could
manage to answer that question without
TECHNICALLY lying...but she just dinna
wanna THINK hard, and LYING is so much easier.

name could you call this guy charming?

He's a toad!

Either the woman has lost it completely, or she's just trying to make Bill jealous!

She's just trying to be nice.

a politician would say: I have no comment and not elaborate and she did. I would NEVER vote for her EVER. She backs this Illegal fucking war. Kiss my ass Hillery.
Oh yeah I spelled her name wrong but as Mark Twain said:
I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way.

wanna pull my finger? <you're IMO - really playing this one too intensely> :hi:

I hope the DLC can read with me ---> Hillary as President? Ain't gonna happen! <end of story>

this war, she would not be so nice..... She is a hypocrite, that simple... I don't trust a word that comes out of both sides of her mouth...

:shrug:

serial killers and the like, is: "I never would have guessed it of him. He was so charming."

Gavin deBecker (who makes his living protecting celebrities) has said that if you're wise, when you meet a "charming" person, you will keep in mind the origins of the word "charm." As in "casting a spell." As in, someone putting you under their command--as a means to an end.

When you think of it that way, "charming" people don't seem so appealing anymore.

at the same time, can she?

if you can't say something bad about the pResident then don't say anything at all.

Damn, charm and charisma? Bush**? He makes me :puke:, I suppose there are people who would call that charming :shrug:.

Charm? Jesus he's a man-child frat boy that you have to watch while he's using a knife or he'll cut himself. He's a sociopath with a taste for killing by proxy and a weird obsession with the oval office rug. He likes to exercise is about the best I could say. Hillary should go wash her mouth out with soap.

Listen - Hilary has left us but the rest of the Democratic members of congress or anyone who gets this kind of dip shit question reply al la Steve Colbert "he's very firm in his opinions. No matter what happens, no matter what the facts are, no matter what the result, he's firm in his ideas. Of course poor dear he has so few of them that they are precious to him" or something like that. sarcastic irony - what the hell could it hurt the man's at 31% we should be beating his head bloody not playing nice nice.

* lied about the money he would send, then had his mouth pieces say New Yorkers were greedy while the fucking rubble was still smoking. Of course we all now know that when * promises more money to something - that it's not going to happen or other funds you were going to get will get cut.

Of course this all goes to prove that there are only one party inside the beltway. A culture of corrupt insiders playing at opposition to each other. (Not all of them are but where the fuck was everybody when Fiengold had the censure hearings eh?).
Removing GOP control of congress has to be the first step but it's only the first step. Get the money out of politics and board K street up - I suspect alas that too many members of the democratic party are not aghast at the broken system but merely that they are not at the main table.

The RW want her to run so bad. She should go for it.

It is clear to me now that Sen. Clinton has ZERO interest in securing the Democratic nomination for president.

That POS Bush has a nauseating personality and acts like a complete oaf. He has almost ZERO charisma, and how someone married to a man who coasted through his political career largely on charisma alone, she knows better.

Seriously, I think she is TRYING to annoy democrat voters because she doesn't want to run. What other explanation could there be? 30% approval rating, Mrs. Clinton!

My reaction to him has always been one of extreme revulsion. I felt that when he was elected governor of Texas, my state, and my feelings have only intensified since then. With her spouting bs like this, Hillary proves to me that she has absolutely no business even thinking of running for president.


Whatever charm she sees in this malignant man, it is in no way equal to the enormous harm he has done to America, and the rest of the world. I would like to point out the the Republican members of the religious right, Satan was able to cause the downfall of man by being charming, and having Eve succumb to his charms. Charm and charisma are in the eyes of the beholder. I must have been born with a strong resistance to such things., because about 70% of the country do not agree that he is charming. He is toxic. The country agrees with DU, not with Hillary..

:grr:

No one expects political rivals to suck up to each other.

That's why a clever joke eases tensions, and is ultimately more mature and polite.

"Name one nice thing about Bush..." lot's of potential there for a clever and charming zinger. Bill was good at that sort of thing.

Albeit we're all (or should be) of the Democratic Persuasion, that don't make us homogeneous by any stretch of the imagination. I regret, if you want one coherent message and unanimously "mature" voice on such a humongous board, you'll forever and always be disappointed. :(

than to continue to respond in non-sequitors.

Maturity requires responsibility and sometimes responsibility means telling the truth.

Hillary could have been polite and given Bush a back-handed smack (for example, she could have said, "Bush has enough charm and charisma to have kept the media from deeply investigating his administration for five years." See - backhanded slap, truthful, but polite.)

I think the problem here is that many people don't "get" whatever "charm and charisma" Bush allegedly has and cannot understand why the alleged Democratic front-runner, the person who MAY be representing them as a collective in 2008, would not represent them in her attitudes toward Bush. It's not very representative, if you will, of most Democrats (who only give the pResident a 4 percent approval rating).

she been on? Why the swarm?

:crazy:

completely alienated the base of your own party.

But you're welcome to throw your support behind the Next President of the United States, Al Gore.

That's at the heart of this argument. Kiss the Democratic Nomination Good-bye Hillary. :(

getting a fund raiser from murdoch?

Snip~
"Rupert Murdoch agrees to host fundraiser for Hillary Clinton
Murdoch's surprise decision to raise money for Clinton in July, on behalf of NEWS CORP., parent company of FOXNEWS and the NEW YORK POST, underlines a dramatic turn of relations between Murdoch and Clinton, who in 1998 coined the phrase “vast rightwing conspiracy” to denounce critics of her husband."



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2613686

I understand that folks reflexively swoon when they hear the "C" word, but I just can't understand why ANYONE in our party actually believes it's a good idea.

As she usually does. She is running for President, and that means she's not the Democrat to be the nasty partisan. There are 250 other federal office-holding Dems, hundreds more pundits, and millions of us on the net whose job it is to be that person.

People who demand she be the rancorous partisan aren't people who want her to run for President.

This is Presidential politics, which so many DU'ers don't seem to understand, and Hillary was pitch-perfect here.

most Republicans have had it with that little fucker and she's making herself look like a hypocritical ass to them.

Maybe she can retune her perfect pitch to align with the harmonics on this planet.

she doesn't look like a hypocritical ass at all for being gracious and mature.

That's news to me!

I already didn't plan on voting for her, this just seals the deal. ;)

that's neither gracious or mature - it was fawning gibberish over a man who's got the approval rating of head lice. It shows nothing other than a tin ear for the current political Zeitgeist and a pretty craven desire to court favor and reassure the powerful. Combined with her other recent actions (support for the Iraq war, that weird video game crusade) you get the sense of someone who is a amoral beltway political apparachnik who with little or not intention of making any substantive changes to the corrupt insider fever swamp that is that DC these days.


That said I do see a double standard here, nobody ever thought to ask Newt what he liked about Clinton while the impeachment trial was going on. Shame she didn't bring that up.

i don't think this is the right thing to say - unless it is her intention not to be elected.

Would her not praising Bush be nasty partisanship?

Though maybe you're right, after all, what does presidential politics have to do with the will of the people?

mofo and that's pitch perfect.

And darn it, people LIKE him.

Riiiight.

:puke:

are the one who trashed the White House!

She has NY locked up through the corrupt political machine here, but I will never vote for her to become President.

And I'm not afraid to admit when I see a repug with charm or charisma. Bush does not have it. What he emits is that "good ole' boys' vibe that is so familiar to Southerners, bigots, and racists across the country. He is like the guy who pretends to be a God fearing Christian, but you can just sense the evil/hate in his heart. That is the quality that those people latch on to and label as "charm." I was very disappointed when I heard this story, but now I feel as if I must see the video footage to get this quote 100% in context.

I'm a Southerner - many people on this board are - and I don't "get" this "good ole boy" charm. Neither do they.

You automatically lumped "Southerners" in with bigots or racists, proving that YOU may be the bigot - at least with a regional bias. And, did you know that more people in the mid-West voted for Bush than in the South? Are they, too, lumped into your bigoted remark?

Please refrain from stereotyping 40 to 47 percent of the Southern population (varied by state) who didn't vote for him. OK?

Her only reference to the prez was about 9/11- 2001. NOTHING about anything of importance that has happend since.

"He is someone who has a lot of charm and charisma, and I think in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, I was very grateful to him for his support for New York,"

Looks like to me she was as polite as possible and only addressed one issue and said as little as she could about it...otherwise she could have said something nasty or no comment and that would have been blasted around the world for months.........she knows it and we all know it.


Check the words closely - I think in the immediate aftermath....I was very grateful.

Also, saying charm and charisma is about as little as you can say in describing the leader of this country wihtout getting into the very negative.....
She didn't say, he's intelligent, he's doing a good job, he's doing his best...just charm & charisma...not much in my opinion.


She has said publicly:


We have a culture of corruption, we have cronyism,
we have incompetence. I predict to you that this administration
will go down in history as one of the worst that has
ever governed our country.


This administration owes our CIA agents around the
world a promise that their identities will never be
jeopardized. And it owes the American people direct
answers and responsible action.


We have relied on a myth of homeland security,
a myth written in rhetoric, inadequate resources,
and a new bureacracy, instead of relying on good
old fashioned American ingenuity, might and muscle.


What we have to do... is to find a way to celebrate our
diversity and debate our differences without fracturing
our communities.

We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking
about what is best for society.

&

Eleanor Roosevelt understood that every one of us every day
has choices to make about the kind of person we are and what
we wish to become.
You can decide to be someone who brings people together,
or you can fall prey to those who wish to divide us.
You can be someone who educates yourself, or you can believe
that being negative is clever and being cynical
is fashionable. You have a choice.



Most people either hate her or love her...some may be undecided. It's your right. I doubt her well chosen words about the prez will really change anyone's mind.



JMHO :*

The political realm has its own rules and I will give Hillary credit for knowing and playing by these rules.

Sadly, it is things like a Murdoch fundraiser that is not required by the rules for Hillary to play along with, that's all her choosing and it makes me sick. That's as horrifying as her stance on the war.

Julie

I know the lies he has spew
I know the future he has robbed

I know him for a thief
I know him for the deaths he cause
I know him each time I look at a photo of children kill
I know him cause tears in my eyes when I watch WWJD.

I know him I know him
And he is a very VERY UGLY human beings

I call a SPADE A SPADE
And I would not respect anyone who know what he has done and yet see him other than a VERY VERY UGLY human being.

When some Republican do not even want to be photographed with him.
How strange to heard some sweet nothing about him from Democrats.

We're all going to be urged to pull together, support her, and vote for her.:eyes: Because somehow, someway she's supposed to be better than the other candidates, never mind her vote for the war, her ongoing support for the war, her corporate pandering, and now her neo-con pandering.

Just another fine example of the two party/same corporate master system of government in action.

How else would he get elected? Certainly not for brains or overall competence....


A lot of sick, megalomaniacs had charm and charisma. It is unfortunately not reserved for the good guys.

except exploit the shit out of it for his own gain in the summer of 2004.

she makes me want to hurl!!
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