Edwards: Cheneys 'role models' despite 'slimeball' remark

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way to go Edwards - that is why I will never vote for you

he is actually slamming the Cheneys.

As role models, they are the ones who taught foul language and other social behavior to their daughter.

Using some of that Twain/Colbert satire ;)

:D

First, he climbed Mt. Kilamanjaro with his late son, Wade.

Second, he urges a compassionate society that attempts with all its resources, human and financial, to end poverty. Not a glitzy issue, but a very necessary one.

There's a lot of his character in those two examples.

:D

Edwards is taking the high road.

It's kind of like saying "how nice", when you mean "fuck you eat shit & die".

He gets to say something that communicates that he supports the GLBT community and parents who raise their GLBT kids with love.

I think he did it right.

:thumbsup:

"how nice" :P

*referencing your posts 59-62 ... "how nice" x4 :evilgrin:

:evilgrin:

to unconditionally love someone who is so nasty (e.g., as to tell people to go f*** themselves, for no good reason), parents deserve a lot of credit. So JE is giving them credit.

Creeps me out ... like McCain, Edwards will not hesitate to crawl back to filth (The Cheney Ghouls)if it will improve his poll ratings. Hasta la bye bye Edwards :P. :puke:

not stooping to the name calling while actually slamming the Cheney family at the same time...

"she mouthed the words "go fuck yourself" to Edwards from the audience, the same words her father used before"

just my opinion on it...

It did an excellent job of showing Mary to be the dishonest and sick individual she really is! If he would have struck back at her, all you would have heard was how the big bad Dem was picking on Dick Cheney's little girl!

I know the instant response we all ahve is to fight back LOUD & HARD, but what Edwards did was much better!

he simultaneously took the high road (a nice contrast with Cheney's foul mouthed response) and pointed out that when he mentioned Cheney it was in the context of praising her parents, which makes her response even more uncalled for.

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love to play nicey nice have lost the liberals. Bank on it! I don't think our "sheltered" representatives in Congress or The Senate realized how very corrupt WE KNOW this Administration to be. No more "business as usual" Edwards, you boys (and girls) are going to have to get a spine and fight if you want our votes. :grr:

Edwards is pretty clear that he's talking about the way things should be, and letting us make the comparison to reality. Fact is, Cheney hates Mary's sexuality and Mary is a obnoxious twit who's looking to have money fall on her an no more independent minded than Jack Abramoff.

Is Edward's sarcasm zooming right over your head :hi: I think his response is much better than Kerry's.

but you don't want to admit it. Yes, I'm too stupid to get it. That's cool, we'll see how it goes over with the rest of the base?

than your own, that's all.

Some people here have a different take than you on Democratic candidates.

That's all I meant.

That's why I was wondering if you were trying to exercise some "power trip" on me.

Do you do this with others too?

You don't seem very generous with your capacity to allow for others' viewpoints.

expect he'll be on the campaign trail for many Democrats across the country.

you need to calm the fuck down.

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I think I'm providing a "fucking model" of exhibiting common fucking sense.

I think your just choosing to behave "miffed" ... "a fellow horse's patootie?" ;)

Shame shame for your hero, Saint Edwards, would be disappointed that you would forgo your reputable Southern Charm. <soft sweet sigh>

Fucking A! The picture perfect modeling of a competitor by a fellow pushy broad who hates to be one-uped. :P :hi:

I've been part of his "base" since 2003, and now I know why :)

And you've been at it longer than most.

The man took the high road on this one, and Cheney comes out looking like a sodden punk.

NUANCE does NOT work. He looks WEAK. Having played team sports for years and working mostly in the company of men. Well, upper class elite men, Senators of the Democratic Persuasion, don't get the average working class democratic male - for example, right now super pissed off about Cheney's oil wealth.

Yes, everyone within the upper middle class (mostly) will see the class and decorum, but the rest of us peons will see "a wimp."

I'm sorry, for I know that you all are very intelligent but this will not play well with the base. I could be wrong, but I'm not. :(

I'll let it go. You're right, it's a matter of opinion. :hi:

in Iowa in January of 2004 ought to have belonged to Richard Gephardt. He was the one who called Bush "a miserable failure" in emphatic, breathy tones, on national tv. He was buried alive in the Iowa caucuses, garnering only 11%, behind Kerry, Edwards, and Dean.

Edwards looks weak to you? Not many weak men climb Mt. Kilamanjaro. Not many strong ones attempt it, in fact. He did.

He also is a compassionate man, which takes a different kind of strength and toughness. I reject the John Wayne macho bullshit stereotype of males. I want someone in the White House, either male or female, who has brains and a heart, and plenty of both.

Edwards may not be your idea of a candidate, but he's polling second to Hillary Clinton in many national polls and is one of perhaps 20 human beings in the country right now among whom the next president will be chosen.

You might want to reconsider your hostility here and re-evaluate all of the Democratic candidates for their merits, which happen to be considerable.

They made Kerry look like a wimp: a decorated combat war hero!

They did this because ....

Anyone?

Anyone?

Bueller?

Bueller?

HE DIDN'T FIGHT BACK.

You might want to reconsider your HAUGHTY AIRS and re-evaluate your personal motivation.

We disagree, leave it alone - stop lecturing me teach!

have suggested that you missed the boat.

You've treated them dismissively and off-handedly. You're the one preaching vitriol here, not others.

I asked you to consider other viewpoints. Apparently you aren't interested. I wish you were.

We also have something to contribute to the dialogue. Your version isn't the only one out there.

Neither are yours Pro-FESS-or! :hi:

You may be good at some other topic, but on John Edwards, you're just hauling in a slamjob.

Maybe it's a "southern thing" but IMHO, as a southern woman, Edwards was bitch-slapping the Cheneys in usual southern style. Insulting them with a smile on his face and love in his heart. Get it?

Really, we are not that nuanced in the Midwest. It's too f**king cold for innuendo when you have to bring the cows in twice a day to be milked. Small talk and subtle conversation is saved for Sunday Afternoons.

I fully understand and respect what you are promoting about Edwards, but also suggest that it will play to a very small audience. Perhaps Edwards is to classy to pounce, but IMO, oh what a real dent he could have made! But it's not in his nature and that's part of the reason you admire him. The forgoing is processed and understood but not fully agreed with.

Hope that clears things up a little?

We come from different cultures.

Mooving, ain't it. ;)

But what do I know? :shrug:

they were wonderful role models as slimeballs!

like the MorAns. Nope, he WANTs to win so bad, Edwards pulled a McCain.

Gee, I wonder when he's gonna hug him? :puke:

Even if he was being opportunistic, why would he think that cozying up to a guy with an 18% approval rating is supposed to help him?

was the comment of parents regarding the comprehensive respect for one's children.

The comment immediately Etch-a-sketched the political tension completely off and wrote on the screen instead the imperative of loving children unconditionally.

The power in that is the power of transformation from cheap, ugly political tension to the realm of higher adulthood, including the love of parents for their children, and by extension, the love for all by everyone.

Elizabeth Edwards posted on these DU boards one night not so long ago, urging all of us to feel compassion for Laura Ingraham, who had at the time just been diagnosed with breast cancer. The political debate was whether Ingraham, who disparages Democrats mercilessly, should be granted compassion for her illness.

Elizabeth Edwards said absolutely, she should be regarded as a fellow human being and shown the compassion owed by all of us to anyone suffering, that the debate in politics is eclipsed by the dialogue in compassion.

Elizabeth Edwards' voice is in this recent statement. Or John's is. Probably they both would agree, and the emphasis is on the relationship of parents to their kids.

I think this is a very sure-footed move because it's warm-hearted. Let the Dick Cheneys of the world stew in their own venom.

:hug:

There's a time to fight. But getting into a name-calling match and letting yourself get dragged down to someone else's level is a different matter.

Edwards showed class. I also trust him to fight hard when it's needed.

when the time comes.

But Cheney's not worth the sweat, and Edwards did the right thing.

He's got a cool brow.

Why take the bait here? What is Edwards going to do, call her names back? Start a media incident where he is going to get crucified? I don't think there was much in the way of other responses even if he was so inclined.

According the article, many gay activists are less than impressed by Ms. Cheney or her book.
If she feels used, she can try to put herself in the place of our deployed soldiers, as well as the injured and dead. THAT is being used for political purposes. That's what it REALLY feels like, not being the pampered daughter-Gay or not, of a powerful and rich white man.

the right spot, too.

She flung the insult and JE had to choose how to respond. Seems as if Mary Cheney may not be ready to confront the fact that her father's approval rating is currently at 16-18% nationwide, and that ought to suggest to her that somethin' ain't quite right.

I remember Tricia Nixon, bravely defending her father, long after half his Cabinet and staff had been thrown in the slammer for conspiracy and obstruction of justice. When I read Mary Cheney's remarks against Edwards and Kerry, Tricia Nixon came to mind.

is sometimes the best. Isn't that what Ghandi, Jesus, Buddah or whomever would've done.

in Cheney's words.

Hello? Cheney's polling at 18%, but Edwards didn't want to rock the boat. He would have gotten a lot of support, and with those poll numbers, he could have figuratively eviscerated "The Cheneys" and still walk away CLEAN!

Yes, if nothing else we will be classy and apply decorum ... another lost election. :grr:

I think that SOME Democrats really don't mind losing because they'll always have THEIR investment wealth. :(

Edwards' response is extremely unlikely to affect the outcome of the 2008 election.

Cheney isn't even running. This spat, generated by the vice president, will disappear from public memory within a couple weeks, is my guess.

You claim that the response was too soft, too accommodating, too pussified? Is that it? That's bullshit.

John and Elizabeth Edwards are grown-ups. And here, as always, they acted like it.

There's a time to fight, and Mary Cheney is not worth it.

Edwards is classy.

your comments and also my warm welcome to DU.

I predict you're going to like it here. It's wild and wooly sometimes, but seldom dull.

Welcome, welcome, welcome.

it's simultaneously an honest, "Christian" response to Mlle. Cheney's bile and a great "fuck you for your name-calling."

Bravo.

I agree with you 100%. Edwards very smartly and smoothly made the Cheney's look like the fools that they are.

as a parent is the day I check myself into rehab. The very thought of Cheney as a role model for anything (except the Young Torturers' League, maybe) is enough to gag a maggot. WTF was Edwards' spokesperson thinking? That's not sarcasm, it's a lame attempt at deflecting a frontal attack. Mary Cheney is a self-loathing lesbian who allowed her sexuality to be used as a politcal weapon by an overtly bigoted and anti-gay administration. She's beneath contempt, and Edwards ought to say so.

That said, Edwards' and Kerry's attempts to score debate points by making a big deal of her sexuality were asinine. So many targets, and they drag Cheney's daughter into it? WTF was up with that?

Kinda proving it's not really politicizing anything. Unless "politicizing" means trying to make your opponent look as good as possible even as they make themselves look like total jackasses.

Even when their children are obnoxious and say "GO FUCK YOURSELF" at a VP debate.

Edwards comments at the VP debate were dignified and truthful. His spokesperson's comments were an indication that Edwards doesn't get down in the mud with sleazeballs like the Cheneys.

Edwards always has taken the high road.

Absolutely.

non-issue. Great job.

....that's an important diplomatic skill. It shows Edwards to be above petty namecalling and cursing. A gentleman would never do that and he hasn't. VERY well done Mr. Edwards! The Cheneys are obviously good role models... very obviously.

I'd vote for Edwards again without hesitation. He and his wife are remarkable, caring people and I've never EVER seen them or their kids speak like the Cheney's do to anyone. Not even now.

"Thank you sir can I have another".

First off, John Edwards is being dishonest because its not true, Dick Cheney is a war criminal. How is that a positive role model?

So, by Edwards lying, he's setting a bad example for children and reflecting that being a kiss ass with bullies is the way to succeed.

He's also being a coward and he loses credibility and trustworthiness because he is denying that the abuser is in fact a horrible abuser.

He's enabling and empowering the bully and predator.

...for clues.

FYI it's not worth your efforts to argue. I know, they really believe he did BEST. :shrug:

And for Heaven's sake if they type "how nice", it ain't a complement. :smoke:



Methinks albeit Mr. John Edwards is the epitome of decorum and class, his supporters have no qualms about picking apart his opponents. Yes, he's a nice and classy man who'd, make a nice Vice President :-).

to that statement. Mouthing "go fuck yourself" is just so classy.

edit: should've read the other posts first, looks like I am not the only one who caught the elegant snark.
Well done, although the Cheneys won't get it.

to me!

I love.

churns for her book. It's the old saw about there being no such thing as bad PR.

She's just whoring her new book, and using likely Dems to do it.

Ignore her like that insect she is.

Attending a labor rally in New York on Wednesday, Edwards was asked about Mary Cheney's comments about the 2004 Democratic vice presidential nominee. In her book, ``Now It's My Turn,'' Cheney called Edwards a ``total slime'' and argued that he tried to use her sexual orientation as a political tool against her father.

She said she mouthed an expletive after Edwards praised the Cheney family during the October 2004 debate for their willingness ``to talk about the fact that they have a gay daughter.''

Edwards said Wednesday that he stood by the comments. ``What I did was express my respect and admiration for the way the Cheney family, along with millions of other families, have embraced members of their family, and if I remember the vice president was very gracious in reacting to that,'' Edwards said. ``I think it was appropriate.''

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-5813796,00.html

of "Go fuck yourself, slimeball." temperment, certainly had "wonderful" role models in her "Go fuck yourself." from-the-Senate-floor parents.

All those nice Bush administration folks are!

When we're told a hundred times a day?

I think Christians should pick better role models than Republicans to carry their flag.

really challenge them on this. He's a deep blue liberal but also a Texan and a certified Baptist minister.

He could be really helpful in framing the argument for a progressive Jesus and not the Far Right's hellfire version.

I'm not a Christian. But I have a great deal of respect for Moyers.

Ms Cheney called him a "son of a bitch". I hope he turns Theresa on her :evilgrin:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1147935#1149709

... "Sisters," the lesbian romance novel she wrote in the '80s. Mrs. Cheney is willing to profit off a lesbian love story, but let someone say the word "lesbian" in public and she's off trashing the person.

When Lynne was filled with righteous indignation over the lesbian comments, the media should have been waving the cover of her book on TV every damn night, instead of playing her soundbite, "This is not a nice man ..." over and over.

I think the Cheney's are, indeed, role models ... in that they're models of what all families should train their kids NOT TO BE LIKE! They're the ANTI-role-models!

But hey ... I just read the Cheney profile in Vanity Fair ... and it indicates Dickie Boy is individually salting every piece of meat he puts in his mouth, despite his health concerns. So we won't have Dickie Boy to kick around much longer!

16-18% in several polls. He's a disease. The Far Right fundies are even afraid of him now. He talks dirty and he hides in holes somewhere in Washington, only to emerge now and then to tell some hapless media talking head that "We're making significant progress in Iraq," even as the news reports just prior and immediately afterward show piles of smoking rubble in Basra and Takrit, etc.

Wall Street has moved on to the 06 and 08 fields, and no one named Cheney is involved in their speculations, and properly so. He's a goner.

He might not even survive through the 06 midterms. There will be some, perhaps a lot, of pressure on Uncle Dick to pack his fascist paraphernalia and ship out. He's a drag on the party's image -- or what's left of it -- and may even be implicated in Fitzgerald's next report. Skooter Libby likely did not act of his own volition.

Edwards handled the comment deftly, like a veteran all-star shortstop who knows how to make quick work of a ground ball.