They are not "Pro-life," they are "Anti-freedom"

Anti-Choicers have used the English language against us for years, and it's time we gave them a dose of their own medicine!

I call on every Du'er, indeed every Democrat, to refrain from ever again uttering the blasphemous words, "Pro-life!"

The language used in the abortion "debate" is only one example the linguistic abuse promulgated upon the American people by those currently in power. It is only by repetition of a lie that they have gained power; It is only by repetition of the truth we will take back the power.

Edit: changed "Anti-Choice" to "Anti-freedom" (since they talk a lot about "freedom")

...because that's really what they are all about. If they could, they'd put every unwed woman into indentured servitude gestating those precious little frozen blastocysts "imprisoned" in fertility clinics.

shut up real quick when you bring up the fact that their daughters/wives/sisters/girlfriends would be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term and go through labor and delivery.

They love to obsess over abortion, but few have given thought to the actual consequences of outlawing it.

Pro-Death Penalty
Mean Spirited Conservatives
Rich Republicans
The Anti-Labor Party
The Billionaire's Club
...And Nazis

Labels are good "bumper sticker politics". The republicans have done quite a job at making 'liberal' a bad word through those very means. Imagine the shivers the acronym "ACLU" must send through the spines of "lunchbucket republicans".

The propagandists cite disdain for "political correctness" to excuse the use of broad brush labeling on liberal Democrats and convince barstool conservatives that they have been discriminated against. (They ARE a 37% minority).

I agree, let's stop politely referring to this republican stench as "flatulance" and call a stinkin' turd ...a turd.

In fact, too cute. It's possible to go overboard with this.
I find it is more effective to force them into a position on this.
"legal, safe, and rare" is concise and it is difficult to argue against.
Defining them is a waste of time that only gives them satisfaction.
For the rare person who does, they have been backed into a bit of corner.
If we only want "legal, safe, and rare" what is the implicit "pro-life" converse of their position?
Some can certainly weasel out. But your average novice activist has a difficult time.

We are trying to conserve what is left of this country while they are mindless zombies following a leader who will not stop until this country is flat on its face.

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you are a Democrat who is anti abortion though?

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I smell pizza. Anyone else?

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Good things from Iraq? You love that damn Koolaid, don't you. One reservoir makes up for all damage, right? All the dead children, no water, no safety...

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Quit with the child references.

No. This is a thread about antiabortnoid fetus-felchers, like you. You value the life of a fetus more than that of a woman, but when I mention the costs of the "freedom" that the Iraqi people are suffering right now, including children being killed, you don't want me to mention it. Why not?

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Iraq was not a breeding ground for terrorists; it had a highly educated, secular population; women were not subject to Sharia law; there was electricity and water... Was Hussein a good man? No. Did that justify US action? Hell no.

When you say you value a clump of eight cells more than a breathing, thinking woman, no, you deserve no respect. Respect is earned, not demanded. Telling ridiculous lies gets you no respect either.

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Don't count on others to do your homework for you. You said Iraq is better now - YOU prove it.

Oh, and the CDC says you're wrong about the "small" risk of death. And gee, it's easy to say "small" when it can't happen to you, isn't it.

...the poster is buried in Boot Hill....:-)

I got a lot of non-answers from the divorced freshman who was, truly, destined for abortion.

At least "..." was easier to spell than "atually".

Or is it just the holiday break? Oh well!

:evilgrin:

...posts, when he was waxing poetic about Bush's policies in Iraq, "To fight for freedom means that there will be loss, struggle, turmoil."

It could have came right out of a White House press release...:puke:

:puke:

How can anyone still say that when bush is tapping people's phone lines without warrants?

I need to set up some kind of alarm on my cell phone to alert me to the fun trolls!

...:9

I *hate* pizza!

should also provide care, etc for the unwanted babies

should have done to their bodies what a pregnancy and birth to a woman's body. I'm not talking about just weight gain and nausea; I'm mean *everything.*

otherewise they might get sued....hmmm interesting idea isn't it

But, remarkably, when I went to Adoptions class (in another county, as is required) for my baby girl, they were, for the most part, progressives (except for the cop and his wife), including the gay couple. We stuck it out six weeks for training, and we each went about a year's worth of court hearings, bonding with our beloved child, dealing with each child's unique challenges, and wondering if the adoption would finalize. I wonder how many Rethugs would go through that. Haven't seen many.

They own the mainstream media, which is why they're able to pound the average, dumb-ass American with their right-wing talking points, until the average dumb-ass American finds himself subconsciously repeating those right-wing talking points.

"the average dumb-ass American finds himself subconsciously"

"...himself..."? A discussion about abortion rights and the "average" is "him"? I thought this was a discussion about language.

:shrug:

I was going to say "himself or herself" but did not want clutter the sentence up anymore than it already was.

Some people on this site will find anything to start a debate about. WTF. :eyes:

One easy way is to say "themselves" or him/her/self.

And if the plural is considered ungrammatical, they can go f*** themselves. :evilgrin:

I'm sorry you see that as "nitpicking" or "starting a debate." Please read the other post. It may help understand why the context of whose rights we're talking about here IS relevant.

:hi: Happy New Year

They will come in handy for me considering I've been a professional writer for ten years.

:applause:

Forget all the reasons these misguided souls pretend that they have some right or some say or some business in a private, family medical decision.

Ask your/"him"selves this question:

WHY ARE THEY SO THREATENED BY WOMEN HAVING THE RIGHT TO CONTROL THEIR REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH AND STATUS?
WHY ARE THEY SO THREATENED BY WOMEN HAVING THE RIGHT TO CONTROL THEIR LIVES?

Do you "guys" have the "cojones" to advocate for women's rights?

:bounce: :kick:


:hmmm: Interesting....... "Edit: changed "Anti-Choice" to "Anti-freedom"" Consider how your choice to edit out "choice" changed the context. Is this issue about women and women's "choice"?

:smoke:

And unlike Hillary Clinton, I haven't backpedaled on the issue since then.

Good on ya, impeachdubya.

Happy New Year :toast:

:yoiks: (maybe you and your tuffguy brethren can take on the freepshit artists that are stinkin up the place................) :kick:

Same to you, OM. Happy New Year. :party:

I'm glad I went, I only wish the media hadn't petulantly ignored what was, in reality, the largest peaceful assembly on the mall- EVER. (Which makes me wonder why anyone argues that choice is a losing issue for us)

As for the smell of fr****rs in the morning... hey, provide a link. I kind of short circuited all my irascability functions this week debating the guy who was arguing that teaching science in public schools amounts to Establishment Clause 'persecution' of Biblical literalists :crazy:... but I'll see what I can do.

I have some female relatives who are anti-choice, and they seem to think that pregnancy is a "just punishment" for women who "tomcat around."

to be the among to most mind-opening I have seen. I have no trouble saying I support the goals of feminism. (I don't know if I qualify as a "feminist" per se, since I haven't taken any specific action that would make me such)

is the radical notion that women are people :toast:

• Ask them why they're in favor of the death penalty.

• Ask them why they don't fight for universal healthcare for all children from birth–age 18.

• Ask them why they don't picket outside of the homes of people who abuse their children.

• Ask them why they don't lobby for affordable child care.

• Ask them why they don't advocate huge raises for all husbands, since they want women to stay home w/the children.

Of course, they're hypocrites — they don't love children at all, & the original nazi party was anti-abortion too.

Bill: You know whoís really bugging me these days. These pro-lifers ...

Smattering of applause.

Bill: You ever look at their faces? "I'm pro-life!"

(Bill makes a pinched face of hate and fear, his lips are pursed as though he's just sucked on a lemon.)

Bill: "I'm pro-life!" Boy, they look it don't they? They just exude joie de vie. You just want to hang with them and play Trivial Pursuit all night long.

Audience chuckles.

Bill: You know what bugs me about them? If you're so pro-life, do me a favour - don't lock arms and block medical clinics. If you're so pro-life, lock arms and block cemeteries.

Audience laughs.

Bill: Let's see how committed you are to this idea.

(Bill mimes the pursed lipped pro-lifers locking arms.)

Bill: (as pro-lifer) She can't come in!

Audience laughs.

Bill: (as confused member of funeral procession) She was 98. She was hit by a bus!

Audience laughs.

Bill: (as pro-lifer) There's options!

Audience laughs.

Bill: (as confused member of funeral procession) What else can we do? Have her stuffed?

Audience laughs.

Bill: I want to see pro-lifers with crowbars at funerals opening caskets - "get out!" Then I'd be really impressed by their mission.

Audience laughs and applauds.

http://www.konformist.com/2000/bill-hicks.htm

We could sure use him right about now. He certainly is missed. :( :smoke:

Although I'm partial to "forced-birthers" to describe them too.

Anti-freedom seems to imply an action that you would WANT to take, but are being prevented from.

But abortion is not something that anyone wants to do, it is something that a woman needs to do when circumstances warrant. It is an unfortunate choice -- and one that should be safe, legal and rare.

These "people" and I use that term loosely keep me crippled up and in pain on a daily basis.
How? I have young onset parkinson's and I need stem cell research. Yet for reasons I can't fathom they wont me to suffer and to be poor. They want to cut my disability insurance so i cant afford medicine, they want to keep me crippled up because an embryo is more important than i am.
They want to lol when i tremor uncontrobably and I fall down. I bet thier rooting that on one of my falls that I snap my neck.

And do you know the worst of it? They dont want me to pray to god to allievate my pain and ask for stem cell researchs. The romans asked me to leave, so did the baptist. While lobbying for research I have been called everything from an embryo farmer, to a toddler killer. One bishop said that god has stricken me with pd because i want to murder babies for my own ends.

Well let me tell you something prolifers my body is starting to loosen up and the next time i have muscle freezing spell would you come and watch me so that my breathing and my heart doesn't stop?
Will you prolifers come over to my house and help me use the rest room and clean mysellf afterward?
I think not

I will say this though we can no longer afford to ignore Bush's Base. There a bunch of bullies. It's time to bloody thier nose. I say show up on the door steps of fred phelps, jerry fawell,focus on the family, and when the bishops council when they have thier annual meettings. There's seventy thousand plus of us on DU. Nows the time to stop getting mad and start to do something about it.

souless robots of fascism. Their lack of respect for freedom and Democracy makes them terrorists. And yes, I mean that.

n/t

I call them pro-fetus. They don't care about me as a person. They don't care if I'm having a baby and might die from having it. They'd rather I die. What if that happened and the woman was already a mother? Democrats are for privacy and leaving politicians out of medical issues that's none of their concern. If they were pro-life they wouldn't be for the death penalty, war, and they'd want us to have national health care so we can take care of ourselvs. But they don't do that do they?

Seriously. Many, many forced birthers I've encountered have a very unhealthy obsession with the idea of women having sex. It drives them crazy and must be keeping them awake at night. I cannot tell you how many times I've argued with one and some version of this phrase comes out.

"If she doesn't want to get pregnant - she shouldn't open her legs!"

It's creepy and makes it obvious that this has nothing whatever to do with life. It's about their own sick, shame-based attitudes toward sexuality and women. They see pregnancy and childbirth as the appropriate punishment for "slutty" women. And when I let them know exactly what I think their motivation is they get REALLY angry and walk away, sputtering.

the term pro-birth.

Democrats = Corporate Responsiblity and Individual Freedom

Republicans = Anti Choice
Democrats = Pro Choice