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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 07:20 AM
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"Quest" = "LONE HOLD-OUT" - Refused To Comply With NSA Program!
Edited on Thu May-11-06 10:51 AM by newyawker99
"Quest" = "LONE HOLD-OUT" - Refused To Comply With NSA Program!


One major telecommunications company declined to participate in the program: Qwest.

According to sources familiar with the events, Qwest's CEO at the time, Joe Nacchio, was deeply troubled by the NSA's assertion that Qwest didn't need a court order -- or approval under FISA -- to proceed. Adding to the tension, Qwest was unclear about who, exactly, would have access to its customers' information, and how that information might be used.

Financial implications were also a concern, the sources said. Carriers that illegally divulge calling information can be subjected to heavy fines. The NSA was asking Qwest to turn over millions of records. The fines, in the aggregate, could have been substantial.

The NSA told Qwest that other government agencies, including the FBI, CIA and DEA, also might have access to the database, the sources said. As a matter of practice, the NSA regularly shares its information -- known as "product" in intelligence circles -- with other intelligence groups. Even so, Qwest's lawyers were troubled by the expansiveness of the NSA request, the sources said.

The NSA, which needed Qwest's participation to completely cover the country, pushed back hard.

Trying to put pressure on Qwest, NSA representatives pointedly told Qwest that it was the lone holdout among the big telecommunications companies. It also tried appealing to Qwest's patriotic side: In one meeting, an NSA representative suggested that Qwest's refusal to contribute to the database could compromise national security, one person recalled.

In addition, the agency suggested that Qwest's foot-dragging might affect its ability to get future classified work with the government. Like other big telecommunications companies, Qwest already had classified contracts and hoped to get more.

More at link:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm?csp=34



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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 07:25 AM
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1. QWEST is the only Patriotic Company of this smarmy bunch ...
Edited on Thu May-11-06 07:28 AM by ShortnFiery
I wish that I could quit Verison and subscribe with them. In fact, if they have something like Vontage (Internet Phone), I'll sign up in a heartbeat.

I'm so proud that AT LEAST ONE COMPANY made morally sound decisions despite first payoffs and then blackmail.

Yes QWEST! :patriot: :yourock:

Edited to correct spelling errors.
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 07:29 AM
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2. Damn - I hate it when I have to say good things about my Phone Company!
Edited on Thu May-11-06 07:29 AM by RobertSeattle
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 07:36 AM
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5. delete. dupe.
Edited on Thu May-11-06 08:01 AM by BleedingHeartPatriot

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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 07:36 AM
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6. Me too. We quit Qwest to use Vonage. My view has changed, that's
for sure.

I would have never thought that the weasely Nacchio would have stood up for privacy rights.

He, and Qwest, deserve some major kudos for this. MKJ
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 07:30 AM
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3. Qwest isn't much on customer service but I give them plenty of............
....kudos for their stance on this. Hope they continue to hold out.:bounce:

If they do have to cave in I hope Qwest approaches the public with something like, "We held out as long as we could to give America one company who believes in your privacy.":applause:
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 07:32 AM
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4. Funny how this did not lead the morning shows :-(
Every single "fact" told to us by Rove, Bush, Hayden was a lie.

So now Bush wants to pick a fight with the Dems over Hayden because it will either show that the Dems have no spine, or that the Dems are unpatriotic as they fail in selling Consitutional civil liberty over protecting the people from terror. Karl "sees this", meaning he is trying to sell this, as win-win from the GOP.

I wonder if our Dem leaders will buy his bullshit.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 07:51 AM
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9. Top story on ABC Good Morning America.
They also did a story talking to the man on the street, asking how much the new $20 tax cut was going to help them. I was stunned.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:23 AM
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19. I may switch is ABC if this keeps up!
:-)
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:25 AM
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20. I'm sure it's a temporary glitch. They'll get them back in the herd soon.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 07:42 AM
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7. Sage
Edited on Thu May-11-06 07:43 AM by midnight
Does this mean Sage was coperative with NSA?
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 08:53 AM
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16. What about Vonage?
I'll ask them!

:shrug:
rocknation
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 07:49 AM
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8. I just switched from AT&T to Qwest!
:thumbsup:
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terip64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 07:56 AM
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11. Me too!!
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 07:54 AM
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10. We should ALL write a letter thanking for going against the NSA

Like the posters above, I am not sure that I've ever had a nice word to say about Qwest, but I'm still going to send them an email thanking them for this. It will give added courage to their officer group, and their Consumer Affairs people would probably enjoying hearing something nice for a change.
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 07:57 AM
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12. Here's their contact page.
Edited on Thu May-11-06 07:57 AM by kpete
Here's their contact page. Consider dropping them a thank you note.

http://www.qwest.com/customerService/index.html?pages=contactus&bu=res
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 07:58 AM
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13. EVERYONE HOLD YOUR HORSES
QWEST may have been patriotic... but my theory is that it was for the wrong reasons. Nacchio had ethics troubles of his own, as did QWEST in general. I'm not saying they didn't do the right thing... but potentially for the wrong reasons. Could be they were concerned about the Govt having access to their personal phone records.

Plus... note they were the only "MAJOR" telecommunications company to not participate. I work for a smaller Telecom (I won't say which one)... and although I have no way of knowing if we participated, I imagine there were many that did not.

Do some research, and only switch if you think it's best for you and your family. It's clear a lot of the information from this article came from someone at QWEST, so take that with a grain of salt.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 08:07 AM
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15. Words to ponder ... thanks for the information
Darn those complex issues, here I thought we could rally behind something.

Bummer! ;) :hi:
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 08:03 AM
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14. Too bad their service is not at all as stellar
as their ethics.

But then, I've come around a bit on even the evil one himself, Bill Gates, so perhaps I can learn not to call Qwest Q-worst as I have been for a while now.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 08:54 AM
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17. Are you all going to spread this?
Edited on Thu May-11-06 09:01 AM by higher class
"Unable to get comfortable with what NSA was proposing, Qwest's lawyers asked NSA to take its proposal directly to the FISA court. According to the sources, the agency refused.

The NSA's explanation did little to satisfy Qwest's lawyers.

""They told (Qwest) they didn't want to do that because FISA might not agree with them," one person recalled. For similar reasons, this person said, NSA also rejected Qwest's suggestion of getting a letter of authorization from the U.S. attorney general's office. A second person confirmed this version of events."

When NSA is specifically asked to get FISA approval before Qwest says yes, NSA refused AND actually says ' 'FISA might not agree with them'.

Spread far. Spread wide.

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 08:56 AM
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18. Woohooo qwest for whatever reasons you were a holdout!
:yourock:
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