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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:22 AM
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200,000 AK 47's meant for Iraqi Police stolen and probably
Edited on Thu May-11-06 10:33 AM by leftyladyfrommo
went to al Quaida. 4 planefuls of guns have simply disappeared. I wonder if anyone is checking with Halliburton? God, what fuckups.

This article is over on the Mirror and I am trying to get the link. The link is about 4 thousands characters long. There has to be a better way.

This article was in the Mirror on May1, 2006. I accessed it thru Drudge (I know, I know) but you can find it over there. I can't get the link to work right.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:25 AM
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1. Halliburton didn't want to do the background checks
Or process the rebates.
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:26 AM
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3. The airline they used has a history of losing stuff to insurgents.
I wonder how much 200,000 AK 47s cost?
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:36 AM
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7. How much the 200,000 AK47s cost? They give 'em away with every war.
It's a promotional tie-in.

That's why we have an MBA as president.
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:43 AM
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9. Oh yea. I forgot.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:26 AM
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2. The NRA should open up a branch in Baghdad. /nt
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:33 AM
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5. NRA supported the 1986 law that closed the NFA registry
The NRA, despite its generally uniform support of the rights of US citizens to acquire and keep firearms, helped negotiate the federal law that banned the registration of machineguns manufactured in or imported to the USA after 1986.

Google "Firearm Owners' Protection Act" if you are interested in knowing the real story.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:37 AM
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8. Agreed, but the spirit of guns-for-all prevails in their membership.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 03:07 PM
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16. Make that civilian guns for any law-abiding citizen
who chooses to own one.

There's a difference...
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 03:31 PM
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19. There is, but NRA advocacies in the past have not been the model
of restraint.

I'm not anti-NRA, by the way, but the organization is not always noted for its restrained tone regarding ownership. A faction of its membership has in the past argued for unfettered access to weapons not unlike the ones indicated in the OP.

That was where I was going with that.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:13 PM
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20. You have a point...there are those...
and the NRA does indeed support the right of civilians to own non-automatic civilian lookalikes of AK's and such (I own one myself), and they have taken flak for that on occasion. But the percentage of gun owners and NRA members arguing for unrestricted access to automatic weapons is very, very small, and that's certainly not the NRA's official position.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:19 PM
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21. My uncle was a sportsman and an outdoor writer, something in the
Hemingway mold, including trips to Africa, etc.

Although he was an expert at guns, his deep love was fishing.

He could pull a largemouth bass out of a pop can if you let him. Just an amazing, intuitive angler.

His third love -- this sounds off-base, but really, it's not -- was mushrooms. He loved to hunt them and eat them. Especially grilled.

He had many other interests and pursuits and talents, but those three stand out in a way because they were out-of-doors pursuits, and he was more himself doing those 3 things than anything, and fishing especially.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:27 AM
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4. As the man once said
That's a helluva lotta Kalishnikovs.

And AK-47's, like Linux OS's, don't break.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:33 AM
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6. Link to related discussion in LBN
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2274752#2275793
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:44 AM
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10. Thanks. I new you guys would have this covered somewhere.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:49 AM
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11. Why would the Iraqi police buy AK 47s?
It doesn't make sense, because AK 47s are the preferred weapon for guerrillas and insurgences. I assume that the US soldier is trained to recognize the sound of an AK 47 and to assume that it is hostile fire whenever he hears it, therefore it doesn't make sense to give it to the Iraqi police.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:50 AM
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12. What would you suggest as an alternative for Iraqi police?
Handguns?
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:57 AM
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13. There are American automatic weapons as well
It's just a bit weird to have Mikhail Kalashnikov supplying both sides. Or should the US troops get AK47s as well? (They probably steal them anyhow like they did in Nam)
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 11:00 AM
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14. But most others are very expensive.
The AK is far and away the best value for your
military rifle $$$.
Probably sells for a fifth of what a nice US M16 goes for,
and breaks less often.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 11:00 AM
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15. Sorry to say it but Kalashnikovs are more reliable than Stoner rifles
Especially in gritty, sandy conditions.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 03:13 PM
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18. All Iraqi forces use AK-47's...
if U.S. forces shoot anybody with an AK, they'd be shooting all their non-Western allies...

It actually makes very good sense. It's the best suited rifle for the job, really (reliability in dusty conditions being a major point in its favor).
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 03:09 PM
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17. Just another excuse to keep killing more troops
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