a mixed dem/freeper forum and the freepers are defending Bush, but they are now down to using complete and total lies to do so. One claimed the surveillance began under Clinton and that we didn't criticize Clinton for doing so why should we be critical of Bush? I quoted him the USA Today article, which specifically states the program began shortly after 9/11. I told him to stop BSing if he can't prove what he said with a credible major news organization.
Here was his post:
"OriginalPCkelly:
These are part of your words:
Today our nation learned, that our government has been collecting the phone records of millions of Americans. While that isn't exactly wiretapping, it is a disgusting destruction of liberty.
Why didn't you raise this question when the collection of phone records began, in 1999....during the previous administration?
If it's called a Destruction of Liberty by you today.....what was it called when the program was instituted back then.......A great idea???"
Here was my response:
"There were no phone records collected in the Clinton administration. Your statement that happened is completely and totally false. The only mention of the year 1999 in the USA Today article was a reference to the fact Gen. Hayden took command of the NSA that year. Here is the original story so that you may see this for yourself:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htmIn fact the article specifically mentions the program started just shortly after 9/11:
“The three telecommunications companies are working under contract with the NSA, which launched the program in 2001 shortly after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the sources said. The program is aimed at identifying and tracking suspected terrorists, they said.”
If you have other evidence that a program of mass surveillance was begun in 1999 by the Clinton administration, please provide it. The only caveat is that I ask it be from a credible mainstream news organization. If you cannot produce credible evidence I would suggest you quit making false accusations."