***New Howard Dean Statement on Gay Marriage***

Or a hypocrite. There is no middle-ground.

Don't flame me. I'm still trying to understand, myself, why he said what he did...:shrug:

I misstated the Democratic Party's platform, which does not say that marriage should be limited to a man and a woman, but says the Party is committed to full inclusion of gay and lesbian families in the life of our nation and leaves the issue to the states to decide.

The Democratic Party remains committed to equal protection under the law for all Americans. How we achieve that goal continues to be the subject of a contentious debate, but our Party continues to oppose constitutional amendments that seek to short circuit the debate on how to achieve equality for all Americans.

First, he says its between a man + woman to the fundies.
Fundies = happy, fundies walk away believing what he said, never seek out a followup.
Liberals = mad.
Libs seek followup.
Dean delivers followup outside of earshot of Fundies.
Libs = Happy.
Fundies = Happy (because they are too stupid to search for and read the followup).


Brilliant.

hes a genius!

I was plenty pissed when I first heard of Dean's statements on Chuckle Nuts' show.

All better now. I'm not one to hold a grudge the second someone slips up.

We know the fundies won't follow-up to see if Dean's standing by his original statement.

thing to another?

I don't think so. He should say what he things and stand by it.

If it is a strategy and I don't think it is. IT SUX.

Because winning elections is all that matters.
All I care about is getting Dems elected.

Leave the lies to the pundits and party reps.

to win.

... political operatives should lie like a rug.

Call it strategy.

I'm sorry but it is hypocritical.

Dean fired one outreach worker and hired another. He club-footed an interview with a right-wing organization, veering close to pandering. Then he corrected his error in a different forum.

Hypocrisy or outreach? Wickedness or error? Betrayal or compromise?

Like a lot of things, this one's not black and white.

Same-sex marriage is also highly explosive and needs to be handled carefully by anyone who wants his or her party to win nationally. Even for those of us ardently in support of the right of consenting adults to chose their life partners and derive equal benefits therefrom recognize that this issue can hand elections to genuinely evil people (e.g., Republicans). We've got to be smart as well as right.

Dean's stumbled on this issue -- but he seems to have righted himself (no pun at all, no way).

For example, when talking in the national media during late '03 he would claim to be a moderate, yet when talking to groups of liberal party activists he would claim to be from the "democratic wing of the Democratic Party" like ultra-liberal Paul Wellstone. Dean did a fine job on CBN, but this is the typical two-faced behavior he has always engaged in.

made to the DLC, and referred to being outspoken and not to triangulate. Dean has never misrepresented his views, although the media certainly has.

When talking to primary voters. If you have a link to the DLC one, I'd be glad to see it. I heard it at the Take Back America conference, which was full of liberal party activists. Dean has also claimed to not be a liberal in the national media. He likes to have it both ways.

OK then, explain to me how taking a line from the most liberal Senator Paul Wellstone, "I'm from the democratic wing of the Democratic Party" DOESN'T mean to imply that he's a liberal. I know exactly what it means. I also know what it meant to the audiences he said it to. I've also heard the many lame rationalizations and far-fetched explanations of what else it could mean from Deaniacs who are in denial about reality. Dean tried to have it both ways in the primary, just like he is now. I think your problem is that you're choosing to follow a cult of personality. Fake, fake, fake.

..and feel the same way about Dean. When I heard he was throwing around the "Democratic wing of the Democratic Party" phrase, I just about laughed my ass off.

We just need big strong lefties like you to show us the way.

misstated the Dem Party platform...

we are going to have to play their game.. We better be ready to get a little dirty, cause the mud is going to be slung both ways, I assure you... We have to get those bastards out of the WH, Congress and the Senate.....

Whatever Dean meant to say, he corrected it and I stand behind him. As long as he acknowledges the Democratic Platform. But for now, he has my support...

Remember we must keep our eye on the prize, the way is rocky and rough....


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