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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 02:14 PM
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"I HATE HOWARD DEAN BECAUSE HE'S HUMAN AND THEREFORE NOT PERFECT!!"
Edited on Thu May-11-06 02:17 PM by ih8thegop
Howard Dean, whom I've admired since the early days of his White House campaign, said something I wish he hadn't said (to put it lightly). I couldn't believe the head of our Party actually said that.

Then, I realized an important truth which I think we all need to acknowledge: Howard Dean is a human being, like the rest of us, and is not perfect. It's just an unfortunate fact of life.

I think there are some DUers who understand this, but clearly, there are others who do not, and instead demand the impossible from him: perfection.

Obviously, Dean - who has acknowledged his mistake - is not perfect. And again, I wish he hadn't said that. But I do not feel like beating the hell out of Dean because of one thing he said. He is still a fine spokesman for our party, and until someone can prove to me that someone else can do a better job as Chairman, I will continue to stand by Howard Dean.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 02:16 PM
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1. You mean he wasn't selected by GOD, like Dimson????
:evilgrin:
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 02:16 PM
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2. No man can be all things to all people. Somebody's bound
to get pissed off and upset. But as far as a new leader for the Democratic Party, Howard is it. He's revitalized it in ways to no one else ever could.

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clydefrand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 02:16 PM
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3. What did he say that pointed out his imperfection to you?
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 02:23 PM
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8. In an interview with CBN:
"The Democratic Party platform from 2004 says that marriage is between a man and a woman. That's what it says. I think where we may take exception with some religious leaders is that we believe in inclusion, that everybody deserves to live with dignity and respect, and that equal rights under the law are important."

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/060510a.asp

Well, our platform does NOT say that.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 02:16 PM
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4. right on. Lets lynch him!
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 02:16 PM
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5. People do the same thing to Hillary. So I don't mind them doing it
to Dean, Clark, Kerrry, Gore or anyone else.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 02:17 PM
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6. As long as he is NOT Corporate Owned, I'll give him a second chance n/t
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 02:18 PM
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7. I don't even agree with Dean on a lot of things he says and does
and I still think he's great as our chairman!
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Sapere aude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 02:25 PM
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9. There are some points of view that it is hard to accept people having.
Nobody is perfect but when you trash a whole group of people it is more than being a little imperfect.

This thread is a case of human imperfection IMHO.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 02:28 PM
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10. Exactly
toying with the civil rights of a group of people is far more than a boo boo.

Every time someone makes a comment that puts this group into a less than equal spotlight more bigotry arises or is fed. I understand that he is not a bigot (gotta fend off the fans here) but this was a major error and something that hurts badly a lot of people.
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Xeric Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 02:30 PM
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11. I don't hate him
But I also will not overlook his error.
I am not a rubber stamp and I am not a cheerleader. He should not have gone on that idiot's show and should not have given him credibility. He should not have said what he said.
That said, I am willing to accept his apology and clarification. I hope that the rest of his chairmanship is trouble free. These are dangerous times and he needs to be more careful.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 02:40 PM
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15. Well put
I cringed when he made his Confederate flag statement, but I also recognize that his outspokeness is one of his strengths. As long as he's willing to admit he was wrong, I'm not willing to banish him.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:28 PM
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17. Yes - we have to keep our leaders in check.
Edited on Thu May-11-06 10:28 PM by ih8thegop
Whether we're talking party leadership or national leadership, we have to understand that no one is perfect. But as you mention, rubber stamps are also a bad idea.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 02:31 PM
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12. God Bless Howard Dean
this ain't worse then when he said that we can't win in Iraq. :shrug:
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 02:34 PM
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13. I'm human and not perfect either.
But I'm not some damn bigot who's going to tell other people they can't get married.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 02:37 PM
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14. never mind
Edited on Thu May-11-06 02:41 PM by wryter2000
bad joke
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 02:52 PM
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16. IT'S THE SAME WITH JOHN KERRY
Here's a little story I wrote about Kerry:

While based on a true story, the names have been changed to protect the guilty. Please don't assume it is written in a juvenile format to imply that it is childish to lash out at someone just because some birds must blame others for problems they let happen by not working hard enough.



Once upon a time in the land of Chicken-Hawk Haven an eagle was born. Not long after he learned to fly, a war with some well-trained falcons broke out on the other side of the planet.

Falcons are seasoned fighting birds born into a war that constantly rages in their land but this is not a falcon story. Instead, this is a tale of the species Chicken-Hawkia, which only slightly resembles the birds of a feather cliché. Gold feathers adorn not just the wings but also the nests of one class of hawk, while the others have mostly tan or brown feathers. Of course the golden feathered Chicken-Hawks willingly welcome fine feathered eagle families into their nesting tree because hanging with eagles is sophisticated and stylish for the smaller raptors.

The bird wars seem unfair in retrospect because gold-feathered hawks started the trouble and then ordered the brown hawks to try and win the battles, often with dire consequences. In fact, high-class hawks, like eagles, did not have to fight at all and believe me MANY upscale Chicken-Hawks made that very choice.

Strangely, however, the Eagle DID decide protecting other birds was important enough to risk his life and proved to be a valiant, victorious fighter, until one day when his heart cried out war is wrong.

Slightly forlorn, the Eagle flew home only to be greeted by chicken-like cackles and crowish caws that he had not yet done enough to serve Birdom. Undaunted, the Eagle actually agreed and promptly picked up a sign to protest war and save hawk lives. Still, those haunting cackles raised his hackles by screeching not enough Eagle! NOT ENOUGH YET!

So the Eagle decided to serve Birdom again and lead his local flock in a way that was more fair than they actually deserved. He served many years in Birdington DC before once again nay saying cackles raised his hackles. NOT ENOUGH, NOT ENOUGH, they chirped.

You see, some 24K nut-case cackler had somehow snatched control of Birdom and he was quite tyrannical, considering 24K was one of the most cowardly Chicken-Hawks ever. Reluctantly, the Eagle stepped forward to run against the better financed bird in Hawk-idential elections. The Eagle would have gotten that top job handed to him years ago, like Chimp-Hawk, had he simply taken all those golden feathers powerful Chicken-Hawks offered him. Ole' 24K even owned most of the bird-media, including the New York, Fly-by-nightTimes.

With not only media against him but also a lot of public opinion, Eagle ended up using many personal feathers in the race. Considering 24K was an incumbent Chicken-Hawk dealing from his own stacked deck, so to speak, the Eagle flew pretty well. Still, the cheeping of Hawks split the night air with, "NOT ENOUGH, NOT ENOUGH EAGLE."

After an all night feather count in a very close race, tensions at the Eagles Nest ran high. Then, the outcome was revealed. From his frustration, Eagle screamed for a recount of the almost won contest. Eagle was not used to losing because he was a winner. His call was heard throughout Birdom but down at Bird-beach where 24K's bird-brained brother ruled, the count was already cast in stone. Still, Eagle watched patiently from his perch until all manner of breaches in birdism broke out. Then, Eagle flew home because he was very tired and sick that the very Birdom many of his comrades-at-wing had died to protect was now reduced to a vulture's buffet.

As Eagle flew away to a much deserved rest, he could still hear the cackles say, "NOT ENOUGH, NOT ENOUGH EAGLE" but will it ever be enough for every bird in the forest? While the Chimp-bird shows you can fool all of the birds some of the time and some birds all of the time, all Eagle proves is that some birds will screech, NOT ENOUGH anytime, no matter how much you give.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:39 PM
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18. Kool-aid moment.
It happens. Just look at Hillary praising (I still cannot really believe this) Bush on the MSM propaganda machine.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:41 PM
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19. Is this sarcasm?
:shrug:

:sarcasm:
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