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crappyjazz Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 11:21 PM
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WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?????????????
Disclaimer No. 1: I’m not a writer. I’ve never been an eloquent speaker. I sometimes find my emotions run rampant and cloud my thoughts. I sometimes think I’m expressing myself clearly only to hear myself rambling and look at faces of people with raised eyebrows or worse, blank looks. But I feel the need to say or write something, anything about why I sit here almost every night in tears after reading various posts on DU and other sites.

Disclaimer No. 2: Oh and I’m Canadian.

I’ve never cared about American politics … really never cared. Intrigued by stories of the Kennedy assassinations (I wasn’t born yet), Nixon and Watergate (born, but more concerned about having Barbie marry GI Joe instead of Ken), amused by stories of Billy Carter, laughing at Chevy Chase tripping a la Ford, laughed harder when Ronald Reagan, my grandmothers favorite movie star was in the White House, shook my head at all the fuss over Bill and Monica, and scratched my head a bit when Dubya “won” over Gore. That was about the extent of my interest in American politics. Of course, that all changed on a Tuesday.

I grew up loving America. I grew up loving to hate America. I grew up criticizing America. I grew up thanking my lucky stars that we lived beside America. I grew up being jealous of America. I’m grown up now and I’m sad for America but I find myself more and more each day being afraid of America. One way or the other, America made sense. America doesn’t make sense to me anymore. Americans don’t make any sense to me anymore.

Does your Constitution mean anything anymore? Your Bill of Rights? The 4th Amendment?

Are you not all OUTRAGED? That thousands of your sons and daughters are dying in a war that is being fought for NO REASON …. That you were lied to over and over and over again by your President, your Vice President and others …. That they are telling almost exactly the same lies to get you to buy in to yet another war? That your country, the only country to every attack another country using a nuclear bomb is telling the rest of the world who it thinks should have a bomb and who shouldn’t? That your president is actually thinking that if another country doesn’t listen to your country who says they’re not allowed to have the bomb, will drop the very same kind of bomb on them to show them who is boss? That your president, the Decider, cares nothing about your civil rights, your health care, your pension, your finances, your gas tank, your privacy, your future, your children’s futures, your grandchildren’s futures?

Where is your OUTRAGE? Where are your protests? Where are the lie ins – the sit ins – the marches – the boycotts – the absolute and utter OUTRAGE? When did Americans turn into bloggers? And poll responders? And callers in to radio shows? Hey, it gets the word out, it informs and educates, it allows for venting and commiserating but is it enough? I was young in the 60s and 70s but I’ve seen the news, the pictures, my parents comments … I know there was outrage before … I know people stood up en masse … I know people marched … I know people sat. I heard the Neil Young songs.

I know there’s the Cindy Sheehans and the Ray McGoverns dotting the landscape … I know there’s a new Neil song … but where oh where is the OUTRAGE? The kind of outrage that got people off their butts and out in the street? What will it take? How many more lies? How many more will have to come home in flag draped coffins? How many more things will you find out they’ve been doing to your rights while you didn’t even know it?

What’s it going to take? 6 bucks a gallon?

Just wondering.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 11:24 PM
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1. WELCOME TO DU!!!
Edited on Thu May-11-06 11:27 PM by LeviathanCrumbling
First off thanks for all the timber, beer and for setting an example with socialized medicine. I would ask you to give us a few weeks, grab some popcorn and watch what happens next.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 03:05 PM
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86. A few weeks?
You know something I don't?


Here's hoping you do.
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kuozzman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 11:30 PM
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2. Welcome to America......Land of the Ignorant......n/t
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:07 AM
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19. Most Important Vote:
American IDOL! More like IDIOT!
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 11:32 PM
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3. We're asking that ourselves n/t
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 11:39 PM
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4. Wow, .....just wow!
Welcome to DU from a fellow Canadian!
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 11:43 PM
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5. I've BEEN outraged for the past nearly-six years,
for all the good it's done..................

Still typing. Still ranting. Still trying to sway minds, one at a time. Still having to see that man in the WH, instead of Gore and Kerry. Makes me physically ill at times.................
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motocicleta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:14 AM
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26. I've been outraged for 26 years
with a slight mellowing in the 90s for 8 years, but I'm more pissed than ever right now.
Just for the record.
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 11:47 PM
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6. That should be the bumper sticker on every car in America.
WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE? It's a really good question and one which I'm embarrassed to say I don't know the answer. We're losing it and a lot of Americans just don't care. By the way, I've always been glad that Canada was our neighbor and you guys are to be admired. As for us, I just don't know.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 11:48 PM
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7. K & R
I've been asking that for the last 5 years, and I live here!

WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE!!!???!!!
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 11:48 PM
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8. I am outraged
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OKDem08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 11:55 PM
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9. I'm mad as hell!!
It's difficult to maintain my composure at times & not verbally accost those who voted this moron into office.

Rest assured. There will be a change in direction following the November elections.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 11:57 PM
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10. Your post really discounts all the protests that have been, and are, made.
Maybe they're not visible enough to you, but in our big cities, there are hundreds of thousands of us who gather regularly in protest, in the smaller cities, thousands of us, in small towns, hundreds of us, and in really, really small towns, there's always at least some brave soul standing on a street corner with a sign that says "Honk to Impeach Bush."

There are large swaths of us who do call into radio shows, show up to protest at speeches, show up at town halls, write letters to our editors, create signs to freeway blog, call, fax and email our senators and house representatives, sign petitions, give money to progressive candidates, volunteer for progressive candidates, go to jail, lose our jobs and contribute in countless other large and small unsung ways to push back and say no to the Bush agenda.

I'm at a loss to understand how you can read DU night after night and have missed that!
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:04 AM
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14. Agreed,
I sent all my DC reps an email tonight expressing my disgust with our phone calls being recorded while borders are not secure. I also told them I'v never been more disappointed in an American administration.

They could care less about the American worker. Their redistribution of our taxes to the rich show this.
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crappyjazz Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:13 AM
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24. Thank you
I appreciate hearing that. I'm new at reading almost everynight and only have limited time, but I'm sure I'll read more and more and I do apologize because if even one lone person stood up they deserve admiration and respect and I would never intentionally discount that.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 08:18 AM
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55. Well, then, thank you -- 'preciate it!
:hi:
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:21 AM
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72. Unfortunately, it will take many times that number of protesters today to
get the media attention and Congressional attention the protests deserve.

Whenever DU gets all excited about a hundred thousand people in the street I always wonder: what happened to the other two hundred million???
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:30 AM
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74. Actually, more like 300 million now ...n/t
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 11:15 AM
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78. True. I was being facetious - as if it's OK for 100 mil. to stay home.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:25 PM
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80. I'm not arguing that. But give credit where credit is due.
We're not all sitting on our hands with the most compelling concern being who will win American Idol. :P
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 01:23 PM
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82. I do. I credit others, like myself, who have hit the pavement every
chance we get. But 99% of Americans seem unwilling to join us so far. I find that not just tragic, not just appalling, but downright infuriating.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 02:39 PM
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84. Absolutely. n/t
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 11:58 PM
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11. Welcome and thank you, Canadian
I've been living in your country for a long time, and these days I'm damned grateful to be here. And grateful that Canada's best and brightest - people like you - see fit to comment on the Great Fuckery that America seems to have become.

Rest assured the inchoate rage stirring in America will bear fruit, and there will be better days ahead for this sad old world.

Thanks for this wonderful post.

:patriot:
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:07 AM
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17. Damn JeffR
send me some of what you're taking to make you such an optimist I need it bad.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:13 AM
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25. No optimist here, though I wish to hell I were
But truly, at my age it's safe to say I've seen fire and I've seen rain, and America isn't over, despite George Bush, Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Bill Frist, etc. etc. etc.

Not saying it's going to be roses and daffodils from here on out, but there are better days ahead.

Better days ahead. Sooner than a lot of folks here want to let themselves believe.

Just wait!
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:15 AM
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27. We're you ever a DJ?
And I thought I spoke in song lyrics a lot.;-)
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:26 AM
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38. I just played the coffeehouse & sleazy bar circuit for a long time
Just sayin': Finally, finally - thank God Almighty - the times they are a'changin'.

As Stevie Wonder sang thirty-some years ago,

"But we are sick and tired of hearing your song
Tellin' us how you're gonna change right from wrong
And if you really want to hear our views
You haven't done nuthin'"
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:32 AM
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40. Just wonderin
I was a classic rock DJ for about 4 years. Song lyrics would infest my speech. You appear to have excellent taste in music if I may say.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:42 AM
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45. Cheers & thank you. Same for me.
Irony is, these days I make ambient techno, but I do like to throw in samples of right-wing speeches whether they work musically or not.

:hi:
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:00 AM
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12. There is a big sheeple contingency joined by some of the rich
here who adore W. They think he's God's voice or the big banker in the sky.

America has been taken over by neocons who worship fundamentalism Christianity and the redistribution of the working class taxes to the rich.

These are not nice people. They are going down.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:09 AM
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20. That's a cop out Erika
we're talking 40% or less for some time now. We should have been rid of this vermin by now but the exterminators in congress have been bribed by Karl Roach.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:02 AM
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13. You're spot on crappyjazz
The time for "educating" IS nearly at an end and should have been long ago. We all know what's happening in this country. We rage about it for hours on here that should be spent in the streets. We are all too comfortable. Not to defend our lack of resolve but can you honestly look in the mirror and say you would risk all? The situation the US is in has pushed us to the near brink of revolution, although it may not seem so outwardly, we are fast running out of alternatives. Everytime new crimes come to light we hold on to the hope that the law will do its job. I think a lot of people are looking to the coming elections as their last straw to see if the system still works at all. People are marching, are resisting it's been effectively ignored by most of our media. Those of us that look have seen the 100's of thousands in other countries marching against our governments supreme folly.We can only hope that some of those in power see that too and realize that we are becoming the authors of our own destruction and turn away from the abyss if that's even possible anymore. If I knew my family was provided for I would be a full time activist but I cannot yet ask them to let me abandon them even for the sake of our constitution. I thank you for your post. We need a slap in the face from some of our international friends (still friends, I hope) to wake us up. I wish like Ebenezer Scrooge we could be visited by spirits, preferably of Jefferson, Franklin, Hale and the like, and be reminded of our past, shown vividly our present and given sight to the dark future that awaits us if our course doesn't change.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:04 AM
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15. You Tell Us and We'll All Know...
Where is the outrage? The only think I can think of is, it is because they bought-out all the tee-vee and major newspapers/radio media years back.
Prepared and started a whisper campaign on the streets, a long, long time ago if memory serves me "now!"
They've got people here totally confused, or paranoid, and/or distrusting of any and all, and everything and everyone.
No one knows what to believe and in the meantime, people I know from all walks of life are outraged, BUT everyone keeps waiting for "someone" to "fix it" and are certain "some one" on that hill "will, soon."

Here's what I hear daily: "The Democrats will landslide in and save the day." AND/OR "What can I do...?"

You see, we've lived under a seemingly harmless society and government for so, so long, it just can't sink in that we've been hi-jacked into this twisted, distorted form of (?) a dictatorship-fascism government. And, they've downplayed history here for some time now.

I hear ya. More and more young and middle-agers are saying they're heading out, investing anywhere but here.

Never seen anything like it. This American is wondering where the outrage is, too.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:06 AM
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16. Welcome to DU "and"
can you save us? :hi:
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:07 AM
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18. Here's another American living in Canada ...
... weighing in.

I hear this all the time from my Canadian friends: WTF is happening in your country?

When I first came here, everyone in Canada said, "Why would you leave the US to come here?"

Nowadays, everyone here says, "Aren't you glad you got out?"

A simple change in tone and attitude, that speaks volumes about what has happened to my beloved country.

Great post, DUbie (new DUer), and welcome aboard!

:hi:


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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:10 AM
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21. I Tell ya
if things don't change real soon I'll be checking out homes for sale up there. past "had enough."

:hi: and thanks my northern friend. good to know your with the 70 percent of us out here.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:12 AM
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23. You two just proved this poster's point
Easier to run than fight. Sorry call it like I see it. Check my sig line.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:27 AM
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39. Just Angry tonight, shadowknows69
if I have to crawl, I would stay and fight for what my country was founded on.

This history major knows better. Just worried like everyone else here, and ticked beyond belief.

Thanks for calling me on that one.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:35 AM
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42. I feel ya Aunti
I'm torn sometimes. Just the way I see it is where are you going to run if these monsters hijack this great country once and for all. Their plague will attempt to spread to the ruin of millions. Might as well go out on my feet on my home turf.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:40 AM
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44. There's no place like home.
Grandpop taught me a lot before leaving this world.

Never let anyone mess with you body.
Nor your money, but especially not your integrity.

No one can take that from you, less you let them. And we can't have that, or they truly do win at this despicable, tragic game they've played upon us.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 09:24 AM
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58. But you said up further
That you wouldn't do the things that need to be done because you couldn't provide for/protect your family. I have been doing many things as you have but it's the protection of my family that keeps me from crossing that line. But it doesn't keep me from thinking about taking them to Canada.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:12 AM
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67. And that would be excellent motivation tavalon
I shouldn't be so judgmental and I apologize. Each must walk his own path as his conscience dictates.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:14 PM
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89. Hard to stay when thinking about
Edited on Fri May-12-06 10:14 PM by mmonk
what my kids may be getting ready to live through.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:10 AM
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66. as an ex-pat
Edited on Fri May-12-06 10:14 AM by alyce douglas
I am very upset to see what is happening in the US, what is happening in the US is extremely serious. I only wish people would believe in themselves that power in numbers can do something.

And the American media lapdogs do shit to get the message out, they should be hung too. Thank goodness for AAR.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:11 AM
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22. Where exactly have you been looking for this outrage? The MSM???
WE ARE OUT IN THE STREET. WE ARE OUTRAGED.

I'm a tad outraged at your post, quite frankly. In addition to the millions of us who have been taking it to the streets for several years now, the netroots are equally valuable. This is a new century, and there are all kinds of ways to make a difference and effect change. It's kind of ironic that you would blog about how bloggers aren't real activitists, don't you think?
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crappyjazz Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:17 AM
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28. Sorry to have "outraged" you the wrong way
Your point about irony however, I respectfully disagree with.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:22 AM
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34. Well, I am outraged that "taking it to the streets" gets no press,
Edited on Fri May-12-06 12:24 AM by quantessd
minimal publicity.
U.S. Citizens are seriously outraged, but few media outlets convey the outrage.

edit: change "not too many" to "few".
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 09:27 AM
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59. Yeah,
I flew to DC for the Sept. 24th protest in which "thousands" demonstrated. We had well over half a million. That's an awful lot of thousands, eh?
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:13 AM
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68. Cool. I was there.
nice long drive. It was inspiring and frustrating all at once. I think some of us believed it would have more impact.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 01:52 AM
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99. Many of us, myself included
Thought it would have a much bigger impact but I'm afraid we're just going to have to face that this isn't going to be easy any step of the way.

One side note, Chickenhawk George came slinking back into town on his Air Force one helecoptor on Sunday afternoon and came in really low by where I was. I wish I'd had three hands. I was so busy offering my personal birds to his whirlybird that I didn't get to get any pictures. Oh well, it was more important that we got a moment of communication, don't you think?
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:15 AM
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69. I was too it was great
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:18 AM
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29. Good post, crappyjazz
Edited on Fri May-12-06 12:21 AM by Canuckistanian
And may I say that there's plenty of outrage out there among the liberal/progressive camp.

And there are very many Shrub supporters that are turning to outrage as well.

You just won't see it on American TV.

It's an amazing phenomena, really. Future dictators will study this period of US history to see exactly how it was done.

But that still doesn't excuse the behavior of most Americans, who I will charitably describe as 'apathetic'.

There really is a sort of numbed disconnect from reality. Even when confronted by ugly truth, many dismiss or don't even care what's being done to them. They're so used to having others "take care of it" for them.

This is going to take a real fight to dislodge this band of thugs in the WH and Capitol building.

My only hope is, this will be the "Nixon moment" for this administration and sheer outrage will bring them down.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:24 AM
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35. We've been indoctrinated for so long
that what is happening since 9/11 only goes on in "communist" countries. Even those of us not hoodwinked by these criminals are still in a state of shock. We're staring 1776 in the face and we're still waiting for Paul Revere's rallying ride but it's too late because the red coats are upon us.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 02:34 AM
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48. Well, if it's 1776, we've already missed Paul Revere's ride,
since it was the year before.
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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 03:00 AM
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49. That's because Paul Revere's name is Cindy
and she preferred to camp out.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 07:37 AM
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54. You are correct Art. My apologies for the historical inaccuracy
Hopefully you got the point.
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crappyjazz Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:19 AM
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30. thank you all for your comments
and for not taking offense (too much) and for allowing me the venting space

i love america and americans and probably always will and i will always have hope for her :)
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:19 AM
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31. Your answer is in our media.
We are collectively hypnotized.

Can anyone count to three and snap their fingers, or are we too far under for that?
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crappyjazz Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:20 AM
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32. Yes, I agree
Your media is strange to say the least ... more like entertainment than news.

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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:17 AM
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70. that is why there is soo many people in a fog
or living in denial, they are dumbing down the masses.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:22 AM
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33. The protests have been huge.
But the MSM always downplays them. Also, don't forget how the hundreds of thousands of protesters were treated in New York during th RNC. They were arrested in illegal sweeps, to prevent them from continuing their protests. Uninvolved bystanders were swept up along with them.

BTW, bloggers keep things like the Colbert performance and the Downing Street Memo in the news when the MSM try to sweep them under the rug. Bloggers also post the pics of the huge protests that the MSM are burying. Don't knock this nation of bloggers.
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crappyjazz Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:26 AM
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37. I'm not knocking bloggers
I love the blogs and the "underground media" as I refer to it. I just don't think it's enough, but at least it's a start.

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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:37 AM
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43. And if it gets as bad as some of us predict
they'll shut this down eventually. then we won't have anything better to do than fill the streets lol.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:19 AM
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71. If that happens taking down Internet sites like this to
bring the people out into the streets or another draft.
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laundry_queen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:25 AM
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36. What a post!
It's what I think about everyday. I'm Canadian and have the same thoughts - grew up the same way, loving America, hating America, wishing I was American, and after Bush came in, being glad I wasn't...

And I am also wondering where's the outrage?? Oh, I see it here on DU - but not many other places. Even American friends I have who hate Bush, don't do anything about it. They go on with their day, complaining occasionally, mostly hoping the next election will save them. It's like everyone's asleep. I don't get it either.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:32 AM
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41. K & R. Great post. Welcome to DU.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 01:19 AM
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46. Your first disclaimer was unnecessary, as you are quite articulate.
I have been OUTRAGED since Selection 2000, when SCOTUS whored themselves for history to judge, and put B* in office. But at that point in time, I merely thought that B* was a stupid Daddy's boy. I had no idea how a 'Christian' could lie, again and again, and still be regarded as 'sincerely religious' by so many people, how he could wage war and be responsible for the deaths of thousands, while all the while, Halliburton and the MIC were reaping huge monetary rewards, how he could treat the citizens of his own country so inhumanely and cruelly during hurricane Katrina, when the U.S. lost one of its' finest and most unique cities, how he could convince people that our goal in Iraq was to spread democracy and freedom, while simultaneously stripping our own country of both democracy and freedom, how his party which bills itself as the moral standards party with ethical values, when by their actions they stand for self interest and greed, to the extent that they have become common criminals, how Clinton's indiscretion, which should not even have been made into public knowledge was put on trial for impeachment, when B* has committed acts of treason, and there is no cry for impeachment, how B* has done NOTHING of value, and has caused only harm to this country, and he acts as if he is unconcerned, and how he hasn't resigned in shame long ago!

You bet I'm OUTRAGED and every day it just get worse. What are your views regarding impeachment of this evil incompetent?
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 01:52 AM
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47. I am beyond Outraged - I"M LIVID! I wonder each and every moment where my
fellow "Americans" are....You know, the folks who claim the love America, yet fail to remember what our country was founded on. The folks who seem to have forgotten our Constitution and what it says and why it was written.

I am even suffering from Outrage Fatigue these days...its just unbelievable to me that anyone in this country who says they love it isn't taking to the streets. And just when you think you have seen it all with these folks in the Bush Administration, they turn around and do something outrageous. Then you sit there wondering where the outrage is...and it never comes.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 03:38 AM
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50. many people believe that NOTHING they do will make ANY difference . . .
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:27 AM
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73. that is that defeatist and negative attitude sinking in
and why are people wishing or whatever you call it that there will be another terrorist attack it will be the enemy within the US. The US economy is drowning and people like Bin Laden are very aware of it.
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 03:53 AM
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51. You touched on the Two most important aspects of the promise of America...
Edited on Fri May-12-06 03:56 AM by Peter Frank
Our Constitution recognizes inalienable rights for our citizens & non-"homeland" folk as well. (I hate the terms "homeland" & "homeland security" for America. Since when does the worlds largest democratic republic shrink down into a wimpy "homeland?" :puke: )

America, warts & all, used to have a right to be considered the best country in the world -- because it was built & maintained on the approval of its own citizenry.

Not any more. The separation of powers (which our framers took great care to institute) has been rendered effectively moot by this administration.


We used to be a beacon of light in the world. Now we're a lightening rod of our leaders' paranoid dreams.





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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 04:05 AM
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52. I forgot to mention ...K & R...

Too bad so many "news" people will loose their jobs in America, if they tell the truth.

Great job crappyjazz. Welcome to DU & please keep speaking your mind.





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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 04:14 AM
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53. crappyjazz, GREAT OPENING POST!!
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titoresque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 08:29 AM
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56. Thank you!
You are a great writer!
I'm in tears now. You're right on all accounts, and I wish I had the answers. I don't.
Thanks for posting this. :cry: :hug:
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 09:16 AM
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57. You're talking to the ones who are outraged
There are 80,000 of us here on DU and a number of millions on the blogosphere overall who are informed and outraged.

Everyone else cares more about who is going to win on American Idol and whether Brittany Spears is pregnant again. In other words they are dumb and couldn't care less. I'm not sure how they got that way, but they are that way.

What's it going to take? Goddess, I wish I knew. I do know that I'm moving in three weeks to Seattle, dubbed by a friend as having the tourist slogan, "It's almost Canada." and being a nurse, if I must, I will emigrate to your beautiful country where people seem smarter, kinder and more trusting.
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hopeisaplace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 09:46 AM
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60. it's like watching a train wreck
Hi Crappyjazz, from Canada too...

I think about what you posted (often),..."where is the outrage"

Yes you're right, there is plenty of it here on DU and there are
emails, and people have taken to the streets...but the US Media
completely lacks the outrage factor...save and except a few issues
(ports deal, immigration)...IMO, without the media "the masses" will not
be outraged...I believe they feel it though, but confusion about what
"they should feel" is getting in the way. (IMO anyway).

Also, you know what, I believe people are a little afraid...they hear whats
going on, but they don't want to compute the information because it seems
so radical, so impossible...denial and fear may be playing into the apathy as well.

Plus, people are exhausted IMO. They work long hard hours, they are trying to raise
their kids, they are trying to survive the bank balance. They WANT to believe that
their country, their government REALLY does care about them..that these "mistakes"
made by their government will pass, that their country WILL get back on track.
That SOMEONE ELSE will make it happen, because they/we are so damn tired.

And finally, shock. People are not ready to accept that corruption exists to THIS
high of a degree. We/they still have faith that COMMONSENSE will prevail.

However, no media for the people, no truth for the people, and the train wreck
continues.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 09:58 AM
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61. Dear friend in Canada...you need to read "Dark Ages America" by
Morris Berman. The USA is a dying empire.
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Chomp Donating Member (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:00 AM
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62. Hi Crappy
I know the feeling - I'm Irish and live in Ireland and it bugs the hell out of me, despite the fact it has absolutely ZERO impact on me whatsoever! Go figure.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:02 AM
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63. I would just love to prove my husband (not American) wrong
when he says we are gutless and our bellies are too full.
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earthmama Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:03 AM
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64. Canadian here living in the Southern USA
I was never into politics in Canada. Well did protest a referendum when the bloc wanted to separate. I am just in freaking shock about this country and its ways.

This souldn't be allowed to go on anymore. everything, the war, healthcare, the working poor, EVERYTHING!!
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:04 AM
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65. I have plenty of outrage.
This just isn't the right forum for it to be expressed.

This forum is an echo chamber. Occasionally, a worthwhile tidbit of information quickly rushes past to page 4 and below. While you're searching for it, PLEASE DU THIS POLL!!!!

Generally, this is a decent forum to find the latest rants regarding the popular news of the day. It's good to know when Randi is about to come on, when she's come on, what she just said, how well she said it, and why she is the pinnacle of human existence.

On any given day, you'll be inundated with similar threads about Cafferty, Olberman, Malloy, sometimes Tweety and the rest of the crew. Randi, though, will be shoved down your throat. Mostly, this is the home for sycophants, primadonnas, backseat drivers and second guessers.

There is outrage in America. Not the kind which drives us into the streets...some of us remember the photos from a few years ago of protestors shot with wooden bullets.

I know several scientists writing and submitting grants to the Department of Defense because it's just that many more dollars that aren't going towards bullets.

There are individuals and families in America personally helping the victims of catastrophes because our own government won't do its job.

There is a festering rage in America. No matter the outcome of the elections, I suspect you'll see more evidence of it between now and '08.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:31 AM
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75. When the Democrats take the house and Senate
you will see the outrage. I believe many investigations and convictions will occur... I am extremely angry, but angry will get you nowhere. Voting is where I will place my anger....
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:41 AM
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76. I am outraged! I am so angry at this point I could spit nails
I'm ready for the next move. Impeach the President now or there will be civil disobedience like has never been witnessed in this country before. I'm not fucking going to take this lying down any more.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 11:16 AM
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79. I'm ready to charge the White House with pitchforks and torches
Edited on Fri May-12-06 11:17 AM by Seabiscuit
There are real life Frankenstein monsters inside with their hands on the "red button" and their ears on our phone lines.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:42 AM
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77. I am ABSOLUTELY and TOTALLY OUTRAGED!
And I agree, we need to be outraged in the millions!!!

However, you must realize something.

In this country;

Millions of Americans have been influenced (controlled) by the Media for YEARS and YEARS because Americans were brought up to TRUST them.

Millions of Americans grew up thinking that the media presents the cold hard truth and nothing but.

VS:

Millions of Americans do NOT know that the media is lying and twisting the truth.

Millions of Americans do NOT know that the media has been bought and paid for by a handful of greedy corporations who have formed a monopoly on the media and who now have the power, the means and the vehicle to do whatever they want to manipulate the American people in order to achieve their goals and agenda.

Seriously, If it were not for the Internet, most of us would still be in the dark and probably still believe in the blatant lies of * & Co and the traitorous media.

At this point, the outrage has not reached critical mass. So yes, it will take something major like $6-$8-$10 gas or the Military Draft or the Great Depression 2 to get the kind of TOTAL OUTRAGE we must have to kick these lying bastards to the curb! :grr:
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:42 PM
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81. You're late to the party - many here are beyond outrage
It's really tiresome to get outraged over and over - and see so very little, if anything, come of it. Outrage Fatigue it is.

BTW, there are protests, but the MSM don't cover much of it. Even before the war started there were massive protests all over the world, with more people taking to te streets then ever before.
There are many small and large grass-roots movements involved in anything from holding vigils to trying to improve the election system and getting 'our people' elected in government positions.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 01:29 PM
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83. I love you.
I'm saddened by your post. I am a lot like you. I grew up with the same feelings about the aggressive losers in this country. And I live here. I feel a sense of sorrow and loss. Think of how much productivity has been lost to fighting this nightmare we face. Think of the emotional stress caused by it. I'm sorry, I don't have a good answer. Yes, if it hits people personally, they'll do something. If there is a crisis, they'll do something. I've always been vigilant. I do something before it's a crisis. But I am finding out that I'm in the minority here. I'm sorry that it is so bad now that even people outside of our borders (who aren't at the end of a gun) are feeling the need to speak up. I just hope it ends, and we are able to change for the better. And I love you for caring. Thank you.

PS- Crappy is my favorite word. We have to laugh, even if we're suffering. :)
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dalaigh lllama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 02:40 PM
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85. Unfortunately, the outrage is not televised
That's this administration's dirty little secret -- if it ain't on the TeeVee, it ain't happening.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 06:35 PM
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87. Not to be defensive
No, we have been worrying about the neocon plans for Canada ever since the ties between the worst of the worst in both countries have been investigated. But your own newly elected Conservatives are heading down the Bush path with fairly ruthless speed. This says nothing about our situation but in every nation some of these same things are happening and we are exporting voting technology and media and everything else to RW parties. The only thing slowing things down appears to me to be a sour sort of competition and rivalry developing between national corporation demi-gods and the general failure and incompetence that is causing a lot of breakdown in the "dream".

Will there be outrage if the neanderthal party decides to modernize your voting practices? If predictable, they'll wait. But maybe not. Some of the original e-voting tech originated in collaboration with Canadians.

As for the outrage we are the boiling water in a walled pressure cooker with ice being stacked all around by our corporate media. There are simply no outlets to organize protests etc. to compare with the broad illusion of a national mind that the MSM creates and that the local newspapers usually assist. The protests, the speakers, the movements and organizations happen but there is a dimmer switch in place that depresses everything. Eventually the number will increase. "Eventually" is very late in game.

A hypnotists supposedly can't get you to consciously kill someone or commit suicide. That is what awkwardly the whole trusted living room news Mind is trying to get people to do. But the people are still hypnotized as they draw back. When they snap out will they remember?
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Wheezy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:08 PM
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88. you know...
...no offense intended, but I am freaking sick and tired of people telling me I'm not outraged enough.

Your writing style is nice, though.

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:18 PM
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90. I AM outraged, and I have BEEN outraged
since that incompetent piece of SHIT was running for governor of my state
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crappyjazz Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:20 PM
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91. Please read Part II if you haven't already
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:28 PM
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92. Here, mostly, but if you are talking about the country as a whole
It is a complacent selfishness. Unless something affects them personally, they don't care. But they are outraged at little inconveniences. The gas prices are getting them a little mad. That's because they have to pay more for gas, and for no other reason.

If they lost their job? Then they'd expect legislation to force the company to hire them back. Someone else lost their job? Laziness and incompetence!

Every time something bad happens to one single American, there is outraged demand for legislation that that never happen again! And they think a law against something means that it won't happen again. When they find out that's not true, outraged again! The government failed to protect some other American and might fail to protect them too. Better give the government more "tools." They have nothing to hide - they are one of the good guys - so the government would never misuse its powers against them!

Oh, and they get pissed that they have to do jury service. So inconvenient.




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Porcupine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:41 PM
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93. Americans are all fat, dumb and happy. Outrage requires thought
and reflection and research. I work in a college town on student housing The average student shared apartment has one solid wall of electronics. They frequently have better cars than the people who teach at the local high school can afford to drive. They have insane amounts of cash that they can dedicate to partying and getting drunk.

A significant portion of the American populace expects to go on a cruise in the next five years. A cruise, once the province of a pampered few is now seen as a middle class pick me up.

Eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow the bill is due. The Global Wariming bill, the Environmental Destruction bill, the Peak Oil bill, the Trade Deficit bill, and the Population Overshoot bill.

Every adult in America has heard about these issues for their entire lives but only a tiny percentage of us have been willing to walk away from the party before the final bell tolls. Even after the spectacle of Katrina and Rita we still do not get that we are on very thin ice as a nation and as a species.

The outrage is buried under mountains of beer, chips and sugar sweeties.
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:42 PM
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94. Outrage?
I got yer outrage. Right here...
:argh:



Time's a comin' folks. Can you feel it??? :kick:


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kelliebrat Donating Member (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 11:14 PM
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95. I TOO AM OUTRAGED AND AMAZED
I've been beyond angry and outraged since I went to bed and Al Gore was President and woke up in BushHell. I've been a screaming lunatic for 6 years now, complete with the "if you're not outraged you're not paying attention" bumper sticker on my car. I so desperately want to be hopeful about Bush and his criminal administration being held accountable for all the crap thats happened, but after being let down over and over I am afraid to hope.
You speak for many many of us OUTRAGED Americans.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 11:32 PM
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96. Our outrage carefully masked by the media, phony polls, stolen
elections...
Our votes are stolen, our protests are not covered, our voices are not heard - except here, on the internet.
They have the bulhorn, the whip and the smoke & mirrors screens.
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Pierzin Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 11:48 PM
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97. IT'S INSANITY!!!!
Viva la revolution, I want your avator pic!
many of us are outraged, myself included. People Should be out in the streets, every single day!
But the list of crimes grows soooo long, there is hardly any time to keep up with them all!
Bravo, though crappyjazz, Bravo!
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hopeisaplace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 11:50 PM
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98. It's on CNN right now with Randi and Ed! finally!
..more of this is what we need. The host is doing great as well.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 02:28 AM
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100. * has a 29% approval rating, more then 2 Thirds are outraged or at least
annoyed.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 02:33 AM
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101. Smartly & purposely NO draft...to get people in the streets, they learned
happily for them we just sit behind our keyboards and gripe and donate (hmmm, some do).
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