My 79-year old Mother said today...

...when I talked with her on the phone: "I have NEVER in all my years seen such a God awful mess as we have in this country now. I don't know what you guys are gonna do..."

My Mom lived throught the Great Depression. She's seen some bad times so when she says something like this, I find that very disconcerting, to say the least. I dunno WTF we're gonna do either...

it's how i know im not crazy... and how i know that what we are talking about is VERY important.

I'm going to snatch that...

NO WAY we are crazy. No matter what the pundits (driven by Snow job and Rove) say. Our parents and grandparents were THERE last time some of this crap happened before and they aren't such pollyannas to believe it won't happen again -- only much worse. And, it has.

and can I get one too?

Help each other survive the next few years
and bring back the values we were raised on.

Tell your Mom that. :hug:

...we're gonna try like Hell to hang in and save our country!

everything that goes wrong from the moment the next President puts his hand on the bible will be blamed on him, and the Democratic party

Deficit? Our fault
Lack of surplus? Our fault
War in Iran going badly? Our fault
War in Iraq still going badly? Our fault
Oil switching to Euros? Our fault
Russia rebuilding its armies? Our fault
No medicare? Our fault

...my concern is that we're able to UNdo the damage this Major Moron has done to this country.

in the truth, that is...God has always left it up to us.... contrary to what Bush believes...

The truth is slowly sinking in. You know damn well it's not our fault and that's the truth.

EVERY time she sees me she talks about how glad she is that my dad is not here to see how badly bush is destroying this country. It really upsets her.

"Bush did this."

If we survive this Bush nightmare, we may also be as wise, at such a grand and graceful age as our parents, Triana.

May we be the ones to warn another generation as to the next coming of satan.

"They knew".

They HAD to know. Meaning essentially - Bush did it. Or at least let it happen.

...and they've never seen any mess like the one we're in now. Scary. I know we have to fight and keep trying to get the truth out. But man...it's still scary to hear them say that.

My mother was born in '34. Her father was able to feed the family from his work with the WPA program.
Mom speaks of Bush as THE ASSHOLE. She says he doesn't give a damn for the working class or the poor.
He doesn't. I am so fortunate to still have her around to give me a perspective on humanity in america.

She's a walking history book. She's seen a lot and says this country is more inhumane and cruel than she's ever seen it. Republicans have always been robber-barons but they're more deadly, cold-blooded, and ruthless now than ever before. She calls bu$hit names I won't write here ;) and makes the same type of comments. She's really worried - not for herself, but for us, being left in/with this country like this.

Mother's Day is Sunday. Don't forget your Moms everyone!! :loveya:

I hear alot of what depression-era children experienced and think of the present.
Because of these people know....
America is in some deep shit.
It's all about the quality of jobs and labor, not about those damn tax breaks. These barely touch us.
BusHCo lives in a bubble, far removed from reality.

has lived through it all and it's true what my contemperaries have to say. I feel for the generations that will have to try and pick up the pieces. We depression kids had it far easier then what might come in the future. Some of you here have the answer, fight, vote, tighten your belts and work to get good guys in office; they are out there if you do a lot of careful research and use your intuition. Hint...these days don't look too hard in the Republican camp,

I can remember things from age 3. My Father had to resort to bootlegging to bring some money in. He had lost his business and had 6 children to feed. Somehow we made it through and never went hungry, thanks to my parents efforts.Around 1940 things began to pick up and when the war started, it was a different world. But my father never stopped preaching politics to all of us and how important it was to be involved.He and Mother loved FDR and worked for his election. All of us have been faithful democrats.Dad told us that both parties would promise a chicken in every pot , but the Dems would at least toss you a wing and you would get nothing from a Pug. This is the worst mess I have ever seen too. Just hope I live long enough to see the whole sorry crowd get theirs in spades.I am still as active as I can be.I hate Bush for ruining so many people.Surely he and the others will have to live many lifetimes in misery and sorrow.

but do not see or speak with them. Really upset them when I said goodbye.No time for that bunch either.Like their leader, "You are either with me or against me."

Our parents had the fortitude to make the best of a bad situation. Most of our grandparents, great grandparents, great great grandparents... had to have that fortitude cause people had to work hard to enjoy the very basics in life.

time while petitioning. They are scared, worried for their grandkids and have no idea how we got into this mess.

but is somewhat hampered by his second wife (my stepmother) who with the legion of her brothers and sisters is a fundie repug. But he does his best to get his opinion out nonetheless. My Mom, living in a suburb of SLC UT is surrounded by reactionary Mormons and is not happy about it. She loathes Shrub (and Orrin Hatch whom she calls a weasel. My Aunt Janice has always been a Dem. She is 85 and just laughs sardonically at all the repug misdeeds. Her son Randy was a kneeejerk repug but is now a liberal of sorts since he likes Al Franken and Air America He lives in MPLS).

There is a little faction of them - in California of all places, who are either libertarians or Repugs. The rest of us can't even talk to them about politics. They just shut down - won't even discuss it.

during Xmas gatherings (only time I see all that bunch) and sometimes summer. My in-laws by marriage are not as reactionary except for eldest brother-in-law who vowed never to speak to us again if we disparaged the war. But we like his wife who is rather an innocent politically so we agreed to disagree. O yes, some of my wife's cousins are impossible also. These people are nearly all Norwegian-Americans save for a WASP element on my wife's side (she is a DAR member but still a liberal!!). Yes, we are polarized.

She thought of Hitler and Stalin the same way.

The old man is agnostic and my Mom is in Church three times a week. They both understand what we have to look forward to. It took a little time to get them to understand that corporate media didn't give them real news, but they caught on to the scam pretty quick. I figure I'll do pretty well since I can grow my own food and survive off the grid. If you can do those two things, you stand a chance of surviving.

..most of us (including me as yet) haven't figured it out yet but we need to.

cannot keep it anymore.

I asked her how 9/11 compared to Pearl Harbor and she said in many ways 9/11 was worse because there was no sense of "we're in this together, by damn, lets fix it" like there was then. She was most appalled when Bush told us to go shopping after 9/11. Well, no, its hard to say what she is most appalled about. It's all so bad.

of something truly awful.
You can sense it and so can your Mother.

dad were Republicans. My dad passed away in 1989 and by 1992, my mother was a registered Democrat.

I well recall the hard times my parents went through to provide just the basics. Small children sitting with their parents listening to FDR's fireside chats. My father going off to fight in a foreign country, while we and all the neighborhood children saved the scraps of tinfoil from cigarette packaging, gum wrappers, tin cans, etc., and Mom leaving early in the morning to work as a riveter for the war effort. Americans united to do what had to be done. It sure wasn't easy but the good times and bad times were shared and their was comfort knowing this. As a small child I would daily pass by homes on my way to school and see the same little blue star flag in the windows that my mother had placed in ours, reflecting that my dad was in the military. I always became extremely depressed when one of the blue stars had turned to gold because I understood that this could well happen to our flag.

Just as the other elders have posted.....this scares the beejeesus out of me....not for myself but for my children and grandchildren. I remember my very first vote went to Gen Eisenhower. I wore the campaign pins and thoroughly enjoyed debating the pros and cons of the Democrats vs Republican platforms......I also remember Eisenhower's warning about the Military Industrial Complex......who knew what true prophet he was? But I don't believe that even Ike could have foreseen the depth of corruption that the US has fallen.

People didn't have much but they were together and supported each other. Now? Huh. When the war was over the women (riveters) were sent back home to let the guys have the jobs. She tells about pigs and chickens and growing their own food. They didn't have much Christmas either. Because of that, Mom always did big Christmases at our house when we were kids. She doesn't anymore - no one there and too much work but she always said that was why she was big on Christmas and Thanksgiving. She didn't want us to have 'poor' ones like she did when she was little.

Hell, I'm not that old, but I lived through the Nixon years, and never thought I'd see anything nearly as bad as that in government. Sadly I was wrong, Bushco is much worse, by orders of magnitude. And all the sheeple people are going "Baa, Baaaaa" Where's the goddamn outrage?

...and no Congress or Supreme Court to do it either. During the Nixon years, we had that. We don't now. They're free to do as they damn well please and they are damn well destroying this country.

We were warned by the fore and founding fathers. They were right.

:( it makes them very sad.





fuck bush.

...my Mom is on a fixed income. Her health insurance may disappear any day. She refused to sign up for that stupid Medicare program of bu$hit's and they are hounding her constantly about it. It will cost her MORE money to be on it than on what she has. She can't sign up for it. Unless she doesn't eat or pay some bills.

We are living through some very scary times, and the old folks with half a brain can see what time it is.

He's expecting things to get much worse, ie civil war and a depression worse than the Great Depression. :scared:

...that's what my Mom says too. "If you think the Great Depression was bad, you haven't seen anything yet".

:nuke:

Your mother may be getting a visit.. Pretty bad when you can't speak to your mom on the phone...

...Too damn bad. We both had a good time calling the Idiot Thief nasty names. She'll be out of town for Mother's Day. They'll have to find her.

She says the same thing - never seen anything like what's going on now. AND - she believes the 2000 and 2004 elections were stolen. In her words "The corporations are in bed with the government and they'll do anything to stay in power". x(

...or vacuum-packed in the head. The plutocracy has definitely taken over this country. We have GOT to get it back.