It scares the hell out of me if the ABC poll is right.....

If 66% of the American people think it's o.k. to track our phone calls, we are in deep shit.

It’s been reported that the National Security Agency has been collecting the phone records of millions of Americans. It then analyzes calling patterns in an effort to identify possible terrorism suspects, without listening to or recording the conversations. Would you consider this an acceptable or unacceptable way for the federal government to investigate terrorism? Do you feel that way strongly or somewhat?

asked over the phone - BEFORE the story hit the airways...

If this was being done in the light of day, with oversight, I might see it as an appropriate tool. Instead, they're using this data for whatever purpose they wish, with zero oversight. It's flat out illegal.

I think as Americans think about this, those poll numbers will reverse. Rapidly.

It says nothing about whether the data collection is happening under color of warrant and with judicial oversight.

And the question simply presumes that the NSA is not listening, recording, etc... We don't KNOW what NSA is doing-- that's been one of the problems all along. NSA refuses to comply with the law, so what other laws are they violating.

And they have lied at every turn. So why believe that they are limiting themselves to looking at calling patterns. I've been hearing that NSA is doing MUCH more than that.

has done this time, i don't think so.

The Germans believed they were "free" too!!!

This poll is flawed. The conservative WSJ is running a poll today at:
www.wsj.com/question
Already it's overwhelmingly against this issue.
Please vote!

Not at all
1206 votes (58%)

:grr:

To what degree should the government be allowed to monitor phone calls without court approval?

Any way it deems necessary
606 votes (22%)
Collect data but don't listen to conversations
555 votes (20%)
Not at all
1609 votes (58%)


2770 people have voted so far
Your vote was Not at all on 5/12/2006 11:39 am

and the data pool was an approved list of numbers from the NSA. *wink*

Yeah, scares me too. We're past deep shit at this point.

They have gotten two thirds of the people so afraid of the "terrorists" that we need to give up that little bit of privacy to be safe. I am simply aghast...

on edit it is in the lying MSM so how could it be true?

. . . Sounds like Rove pulling some strings to me.

(Either way, it's plenty scary.)

was "Freeped"?

"America strength is more dependant on what it stands for than what it stands against.Listening on phone conversation without check and balances by the judicial branch compamise (compromise??)the sense of security which the government is supposed to protect. Terrorist can not be the drivers of our individual liberty.
Abdullatif M Nimr.MD.MBA"

saves me from having to do my own composing on the subject.

-85% Jimmy

Most put security ahead of privacy
Say that sharing call records OK
By Bruce Mohl, Globe Staff | May 12, 2006


and then this?????






http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/05/12/most_put_security_ahead_of_privacy/

nation of cowards.
Take whatever rights you want but god forbid you stop me from watching american idol.
Pathetic.

Was it like this.. “Would you support the turning over of your phone records in order for the government to prevent a terrorist act?” Or some such. It all depends on how the questions are posed.

It’s been reported that the National Security Agency has been collecting the phone records of millions of Americans. It then analyzes calling patterns in an effort to identify possible terrorism suspects, without listening to or recording the conversations. Would you consider this an acceptable or unacceptable way for the federal government to investigate terrorism? Do you feel that way strongly or somewhat?

If they had asked, "The government is attempting to compile a database of every single phone call made in this country. Such a database is unlikely to yield any clues about terrorist activities and will make a record of all calls you make. Do you support this?"

single phone call made in this country. They say they will not use that information for financial or political gain. Do you believe them?

Questions asked:
1. Do you approve or disapprove of the way Bush is handling Protecting
Americans’ privacy rights as the government investigates terrorism?

2. As it conducts the war on terrorism, do you think the United States
government is or is not doing enough to protect the rights of American
citizens?

3. What do you think is more important right now - (for the federal government
to investigate possible terrorist threats, even if that intrudes on personal
privacy); or (for the federal government not to intrude on personal privacy,
even if that limits its ability to investigate possible terrorist threats)?

Note that the first three questions set the respondent's focus on the threat of terrorism rather strongly.

4. It’s been reported that the National Security Agency has been collecting the
phone call records of tens of millions of Americans. It then analyzes calling
patterns in an effort to identify possible terrorism suspects, without
listening to or recording the conversations. Would you consider this an
acceptable or unacceptable way for the federal government to investigate
terrorism? Do you feel that way strongly or somewhat?

5. If you found out that the NSA had a record of phone numbers that you
yourself have called, would that bother you, or not? IF YES: Would it bother
you a lot, or just somewhat??

Note that the question is framed as NSA recording numbers dialed only. This is a smaller privacy invasion than listening to and analyzing content.

ation and primarily rich white male/patriarchal government.

Who owns the media? Rich white privileged males. Not that all rich white males are bad by any stretch, however, look at what these rich white privileged males are doing.

As it appears these are rich white supremist males who from the material they promote, tend to be misogynistic and even racist in their tone and nature.

Would it not be surprising then, that they would perhaps be part of this whole machine?

When you have a faction of rich, privileged white males owning the "mainstream media" - you are only going to get information deemed worthy by rich, privileged white males, who by the way, have a vested interest in keeping things the way they are, which means, keeping them and other rich, privileged white males in power.

One has to now consider how involved the white male mainstream media, which owns all the networks is in this who coup detat of AmeriKKKa. Need I mention the phone companies?

somebody already debunked it....

Sample of 501 and push/poll wording.

Noam Chomsky... Read it. It is basically about how any governing body uses "terror" and fear tactics to scare people to give their civil liberties away... Looks like it is working. Quite well in fact.

Nobody is actively giving up their freedoms they, being the white racist wealthy males who own the networks are promoting fake polls so they can create an illusion that others are wanting to give up their rights.

It's a manufactured ILLUSION of consent. Its not real.

but the masses are still buying it. You and I and most of the people who are aware are not caving in, but if you don't think the populace drinks this like the kool aid that is force fed to them, I don't know what else to stay. This administration should be metaphorically be hung from the white house.

who disapproves of the President at a rate of %71 wants to give him the power to track every call they ever make. Tat poll should not even have been undertaken so early after the news. My best friend is rather savvy politically but, last-night, when I asked him what he thought about the NSA story he hadn't even heard of it. Give it a little time to sink in. If that polling is the same a week from now, I'd be worried. Oh, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the Mis-administration will cite this poll regardless of whether the numbers drop or not.

Jay

ABC is a big business and their only aim is to protect their investments and they do this by keeping the public calm and clueless about the ugly and scary reality we are all actually facing.

Greedy Evil Propagandist Bastards! :grr:

simply thinking that polls give the right to violate rights is outrageous

"It’s been reported that the National Security Agency has been collecting the phone records of millions of Americans. It then analyzes calling patterns in an effort to identify possible terrorism suspects, without listening to or recording the conversations. Would you consider this an acceptable or unacceptable way for the federal government to investigate terrorism? Do you feel that way strongly or somewhat?"

It's practically a push poll.

if it protected the nation from another 9/11? That's the exact same kind of BS poll question that ABC used: A poll question attached to a stated false or suspect premise.

If ABC had just asked, "Do you approve or disapprove of the NSA's monitoring your phone calls?", without the editorial spin of the BS premise that it actually helps fight terrorism, they would have gotten quite a different answer, and much closer to the truth of how people feel about it.

But then, they're not interested in the truth, are they?

liberty or death and then decide if the phone records thing is so bad. It's joke. Real survey work is all but dead, evidently, because this is such a blatant rule violation you have to consider it deliberate.

if they told me the sun was shining.

It's gotta be true! :sarcasm:

It's that 2wk memory span of these idiots that gets me. Hello now it's legal says Hayden to tape our lines without any oversight? I don't forget that easily.

Today we see a post on a seizure of the DFA web-server. Tell me they had reasonable cause.

Rouge Administration, worse than Mafia, Crooks and Liars,and your neighbor says it's fine because he trusts BushCo.

Hello- Katrina, Iraq, Halliburton, Stop Loss, Escaping AlQuaida, Billions $ misspent, Millions$missing, Sale of Us Security to Saudi's, Ignoring OBL before 9/11. And those are just a few...

It's easier to pretend there is no abuse until you are up against the wall. Well we are looking at the wall but these idiots are looking at the wall paper.

The American People are OUTRAGED! :grr:

...against using the NSA to spy on Americans within the borders of the U. S.