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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 09:50 AM
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So it's not just phone calls being surveilled...it's everything you buy &
they can figure out where you are from those items, at least where they have card readers in place.

http://www.nocards.org/
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 09:57 AM
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1. I've been very diligent about leaving as little information out there
As I possibly can. I pay for things with cash, don't have a credit card, don't have a grocery discount card, and when places like Radio Shack start asking me for personal information when I pick up a five dollar widget, I tell them it's none of their damn business. Now, all I have to do is get an RFID chip reader, and figure out how to disable the damn things without destroying the product they're embedded in, and all's good.

Sadly within a few years or a decade there's going to be a major push on to require all humans to get chipped. Right now they're just warming up, various cities and counties are considering making it mandatory to chip one's pets. I'm not going to submit to that either.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:00 AM
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2. These chips will be in everything and readers will be everywhere. Let me
know if you figure out how to disable them, eh?
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:28 AM
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4. Will do, sadly the next place they're contemplating putting chips
Is in cash itself:eyes: The better for a tech savvy mugger to know how much money people have:scared:

And if I find anything out, I'll let you and lots of other people know.

I love technology, but sadly it's turning around and biting us all in the ass, hard.
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earthmama Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:14 AM
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3. I am starting to do all that
once my CC are paid off then are gone. Canceling my discount cards, paying with cash. I do not give my info out. I was shocked that Eckards asked for my SS when i was picking up a prescription for nasal spray. Why do they need that?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:34 AM
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5. But that only helps a bit. If the chips are in your shoes, what'll you do?
I am not at all pleased about the idea of these chips coming into my home and everywhere else I go.
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earthmama Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:35 AM
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7. not wear shoes!!!
I dunno but this is all getting to be to much. At least I am starting with somethings.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:43 AM
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9. *lol* Well, here's hoping Birkentstock doesn't join the program. Then
again, mine are really old so I doubt there's anything in them.
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earthmama Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:47 AM
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13. I wear old Birks and Cheap flip flops
so I think I am ok .
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:46 AM
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12. microwave 'em, or put 'em in a strong magnetic field or something.
Or exchange chips with someone else. The problems with all this chipping seem obvious, but it's the unintended consequences that we haven't considered that may be an even bigger problem.
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:44 AM
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11. I am the same way, no credit cards or checking account pay
everything with cash and people look at me like I'm crazy as if cash isn't good enough or something. If I have to send money by mail I use money orders.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:35 AM
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6. hey now greenpartyvoter!
long time no see!
peace !
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:42 AM
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8. Howdy, howdy! No worries if ya don't see me around, just hack into
Poindexter's database and check my trail to see where's I've been. :^P
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:44 AM
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10. yup
I can pull it up on the nsa.gov web site. :)

perhaps we can room together in gitmo!
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:48 AM
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14. That'll be fun. Maybe they'll slate us for the same waterboarding sessions
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:54 AM
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17. I live by a simple theory - NO PAIN...... NO PAIN!
Them: Name names!
Me: Greenpartyvoter, skinner, sugarsmack... ect!

:)
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Ravenseye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:51 AM
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15. Tom's Saturday Morning
Tom woke up on Saturday morning, rolling out of bed quietly so as not to wake his wife. Once downstairs he found that they were out of Coffee. Groggy, he pulled on some sweat pants and grabbed his keys. While driving to the corner store, the specially encoded key registered with the car's computer and uplinked to a orbiting GPS satellite. It was recorded that Tom was driving the car, via passive fingerprint identification from the steering wheel. Once Tom reached the corner store, and got out of the car, the trip was recorded and uploaded into the national travel database where it would be compared with other trips to look for suspicious patterns or any common locations with terrorists. Inside he purchased a can of ground coffee, and while there picked up a stick of gum and the morning paper. His purchases were logged by the store, and then uploaded to a national purchases database where they were compared with known purchasing patterns of terrorists, and also to look for possible money laundering activities which might support terrorist organizations. Tom headed back home, his trip once again being logged by the national security in travel database.

Later that day Tom called his friend Bill to see if he'd be up for a casual game of Tennis. The phone call was recorded by the national database, and compared to other phone records, and to see if the call was suspicious, or linked with terrorism. Bill was game, so Tom gathered up his gear and headed to the tennis court. Once again the trip was recorded by the N.S.I.T. database. Seeing Bill already on the courts when he pulled up, Tom grabbed his gear and jogged over to give Bill a handshake. The handshake was recorded by local area automatic security cameras. Noticing two people in close proximity, and even touching, the camera, making face identifications through an automatic system. Bill and Tom had their activities cross scanned with the database to see if their meetings had any connections with terrrorists. After a good game, where Bill won by dominating the first set and squeeking out a victory in the second, Tom shook Bill's hand in congratulations. They once again were scanned by the camera and cross checked in the database. Tom headed home for a shower, his journey again logged.

The hot shower felt good. Tom wasn't 20 years old anymore. A passing drone aircraft recorded the heat bloom from the shower with an infrared scan and logged it into the database with the corresponding address with it's average temperature and length to be compared with possible heat blooms generated by illicit weapons manufacture by terrorists. After the shower, and feeling relaxed, Tom headed downstairs and flipped on the television to relax for a bit. The local baseball team was playing their bitter rivals. Tom turned up the volume, and grabbing the paper, sat down onto the couch. The television reciever notified the national database that Tom, via fingerprint identification on the remote, had turned on the game, to look for suspicious usage such as a prediliciton with shows about bombmaking. Tom nodded off to nap.

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The government knows that morning that Tom drove to the store, where he purchased coffee gum and the paper and drove home. After which the government knows he called Bill, met bill in public, then drove back home. They know that he created a heat bloom in his house, most likely from a shower, and aftewards watched the game. How long till this is in place nationwide?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 11:52 AM
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18. Very scary thought. What if the "evidence" is misinterpreted and
people get put away for crimes they never committed?
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 10:53 AM
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16. Is there any kind of device that can detect
these chips like they use when finding bugs? What is it and where can I get one????
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EminenceFront Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:01 PM
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19. Anytime you log onto the internet you leave your address.
Any site you've been to you leave your IP footprint.

Some friends and I were talking about this a while back regarding universal healthcare. When we finally obtain universal healthcare, rest assured the government will know what physician we went to go see and why. I still think single-payer healthcare is the way to go, but the idea that we'll have any kind of privacy is not in the cards. :scared:
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patriothackd Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:05 PM
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20. That kind of technology has been building for a while now.
Some of the players involved are Lockheed and Grumman. A newer development is implanted chips for the gullible. By that I mean chips that are being talked about for the elderly to help quickly identify medical needs.
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