What the HELL??!! WashPost: Most Americans SUPPORT NSA's Efforts -->

What the HELL is going on today? This CANNOT be true, absolutely NOT!

I didn't realize the ABC poll was conducted in collaboration with the Washington Post...what's going on here??

I don't see the actual questions asked, nor the breakdown of exactly who was called (by area, political location, cell phones or land lines, etc). Can you say biased poll?

"If it's going to protect me from the big, bad, scary people who want to hurt us, and I'm not doing anything wrong, then there's no problem with it."

Nevermind the underhanded things that could be done with this information, people just want to feel safe and warm and fuzzy.

And I know liberals who really aren't all that worked up over this either.

I know you can....

This is being pushed by ABC news as well, even though their own poll shows people voted 3 to 1 against wire-tapping... Making the people think this is ok, trying to sway the sheeple....

Letter, emails, and phone calls are needed to all these publications....

They will say or do anything to further their cause

Propaganda
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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The reason propaganda exists and is so widespread is because it serves various social purposes, necessary ones, often popular yet potentially corrupting. Many institutions such as media and government itself are literally propaganda-addicts, co-dependent on each other and the fueling influence of the propaganda system that they help create and maintain. Propagandists have an advantage through knowing what they want to promote and to whom, and although they often resort to various two-way forms of communication this is done in order to make sure their one-sided purposes are achieved.

Individuals participate in these mediated propaganda transactions for our own reasons, as myriad as human nature itself, even if only to differentiate ourselves from what Walter Lippman calls the “bewildered herd.” That so much of this interaction is voluntary, or at least non-resisting, is an area needing much greater study. There will be time for this, since propaganda (if not all its artifacts) forms one of the most enduring aspects of our civilization. As Richard Alan Nelson (1996) further clarifies, propaganda should be "neutrally defined as a systematic form of persuasion which attempts to influence the emotions, attitudes, opinions, and actions of specified target audiences for ideological, political or commercial purposes through the controlled transmission of one-sided messages (which may or may not be factual) via mass and direct media channels. A propaganda organization employs propagandists who engage in propagandism—the applied creation and distribution of such forms of persuasion."


Types of propaganda


Propaganda shares techniques with advertising. In fact, advertising can be thought of as propaganda that promotes a commercial product, though the word "propaganda" more typically refers to political or nationalist uses, or promotion of a set of ideas. Propaganda also has much in common with public information campaigns by governments, which are intended to encourage or discourage certain forms of behavior (such as wearing seat belts, not smoking, not littering, or so forth). Again, the emphasis is more political in propaganda. Propaganda can take the form of leaflets, posters, TV, and radio broadcasts and can also extend to any other medium.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda

Remember when they started TIA "Total Information Awareness" and caught so much flak over it they had to supposedly discontinue the program. They even brought the felon John Poindexter out of mothballs to run the program. People were quite upset over it so they "said" they discontinued it. We now know better. The eye watches all.

It's that a bulk of America simply doesn't mind people intruding on their privacy. Hell, most of those individuals would probably give up privacy 24/7.

that the majority of Americans are giving the Chimp the benefit of the doubt, that this is actually being used as a tool to fight terrorism. Why, I have no idea, considering the multitudes of lies that this administration has already told.

My guess is that if it comes out that this data was being used for purposes other than to investigate possible teorrists, serious shit is going to hit the fan.

On the other hand, I find this attitude extremely troubling, that Americans are so willing to throw their consitutional rights to the wind in the name of fighting nameless faceless "terrorists".

I just wonder if any historians out there can put this into perspective..but I'm worried about our country in this point in time.

Amendment IV to the Constitution of the United States

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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"First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out.
Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me."

Martin Niemoller

(Martin Niemoller was a church leader in Germany and a Hitler supporter, until Hitler didn't like HIS church. Niemoller wound up in a concentration camp.)

This survey of 1500 randomly selected "average" americans was done outside of NRA conventions and "old time" baptist revival meetings in Hazard County Georgia.

good citizens.

An attempt to make a so-called "split" plausible.

It's bull.

Sorry, don't believe it.

IT'S FUCKING ILLEGAL AND IT'S UP TO OUR CONGRESS TO PUT A STOP TO IT.

sorry, didn't mean to shout.:banghead:

You are justified in doing so. We should all be SHOUTING because this is all so damn outrageous, like a bad nightmare that won't go away.

Any links?
Or are we just to take their word for it?

I just found one Rasmussen poll which was being used as contemporary data that was actually done back in December, 2005!

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2005/NSA.htm


EDIT:

If the links are in post #14 -- Quiet_Dem_Mom

--CNN's does not quote their source for the N=502 poll. Moreover their ridiculous little poll cites 75% as "Creepy", 25% "More secure"

--MSNBC only shows a "Live Vote" in which 15% say "Yes, given the threat of terrorism it is appropriate."
and 85% say "No, it's an intrusion on our right to privacy."


Seems all their boot-licking polls are a huge load of horse-pucky,
or should I say Turd Blossoms?

are ok with it.... It is PROPAGANDA at it's worst!!!!... Will the sheeple fall for it???

Granted, the wording in the poll is silly...

story reports 2 to 1 ok with it... Actual poll on site shows 3 to 1 against it....

Randomly ignorant people, apparently.

Yet in similar online polls on both CNN and MSNBC websites the response has been overwhelming against NSA data collecting. About 240,000 people responded to those polls (as of this post).

Even the staff writer admits that his statistics are "iffy". Last paragraph of article:

A total of 502 randomly selected adults were interviewed Thursday night for this survey. Margin of sampling error is five percentage points for the overall results. The practical difficulties of doing a survey in a single night represents another potential source of error.


Online poll results:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12738454
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/12/hayden.ap/index.html (QuickVote pop-up on that page)

I'm sure a majority of americans would approve of breaking into a hotel room in order to prevent the communists from taking over america.

But that's a dumb poll question. And so is this one. Ignore it.

No - 85% - MSNBC http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12738454
Creepy - 76% - CNN http://www.cnn.com/POLLSERVER/results/24900.exclude.html
It bothers me - 72% - AOL http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060511052409990008&ncid=NWS00010000000001http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060511052409990008&ncid=NWS00010000000001

This is one of the issues they are running on in the elections. They are going to use everything in their power to not lose any ground on this. All of repub talk radio have been handed their talking points. Play down privacy concerns and emphasis terror, terror, terror. We can keep you safe! Unfortunately, we won't have any rights left when they are done "keeping us safe", then who is going to protect us from our government.

The real questions to ask are what firm was employed to design the poll and who's behind that firm.