NSA Whistleblower: ‘People…Are Going To Be Shocked’ (Tip of the iceberg)

:popcorn:

I wonder if the BADministration is using the information to compile an enemies list(like Nixon"s). I wonder if I'm on it, I wasn't successful in getting on Nixon's list and I hated the man just as much as the next guy. This could prove to be a "Blue Badge of Courage". At least Nixon didn't destroy the country. This pRESIDENT needs to have the three I's applied to him and his cronies: IMPEACH,INDICT,IMPRISON!!!!!!!!!!!!!

notes - where the machine does the interpretation.

Indeed this has been around for a long, long time.

The idea that a simple telephone billing record transfer was a new, massive, biggest in the world, database that required NSA data mining skills is silly on its face.

The credit card version they set up is obviously bigger.

So from the obvious lie I believe we can conclude that the NSA's acre's of underground computers and data storage is not being wasted on such a trival matter.

Now a 100% list of all who said "Fuck Bush" in a telephone conversation would be prize worth our $40 billion per year intelligence budget.

There is no way that the real secret is not the fact of a universal wiretap process that they have implemented for the US population - if not other populations - at least IMHO.

:scared:

I hope he survives the weekend 'cause I don't trust this government one bit.

Apparently he was under psychiatric care or something. It was brought out last year when he first spoke up.

:puke:

... of anyone they detect as a potential whistle-blower or boat-rocker. (Virtually any employer, but particularly governmental and contractors, can require a "fitness for work" medical evaluation - either medical or psychological - as a condition of <continued> employment.) Then they sleazily 'leak' such an allegation - which puts the whistle-blower into the unenviable position of having to disclose such medical 'information' as "under stress" and "needing improved coping skills."

The psychiatric/psychological approach is useless in anything other than focusing EXCLUSIVELY on the individual. They're not there to pass judgment on others - merely to assist the individual. It's like treating a victim of abuse - they're not cops. They can only treat the victim and that entails use of language which is victimpatient-focused.

It was their way of both discrediting them and imprisoning them.

Has Putin explained to * how to do all this?

highways.....

against him, but those don't make what he has to say any less credible.

He's a true patriot. I hope that he's somewhere safe.

Just ask Alexandr S.

I get the feeling that most in Congress do not want to hear the truth that Mr. Tice has to offer.

Cheney and his cabal screwed up ;)

I realize he's a "Former" NSA staffer, but they are going after ALL the people who TELL ON THEM!

Glorious rain!!

:woohoo:

He will NOT live through the weekend- he'll be suicided or small planed before he sets foot on the stand.

These motherfuckers are going down!!

WOOHOO!

could somebody cast Divine Intervention on this guy?

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The rest of the iceberg shall not be exposed.

:P

Scary too. The thing is, it'll look almost as bad if Bush pulls Hayden because at least some of the media will ask why and draw the same conclusion I did.

Enough

This must be some kind of record!

This revelation sure is going to set this country on it's head I think!

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?entity=michael_hayden

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October 17, 2002: NSA Denies Having Indications of 9/11 Planning NSA Director Michael Hayden.
NSA Director Michael Hayden testifies before the 9/11 Congressional Inquiry

NSA Director Michael Hayden testifies before the 9/11 Congressional Inquiry that the “NSA had no that al-Qaeda was specifically targeting New York and Washington ... or even that it was planning an attack on US soil.” Before 9/11, the “NSA had no knowledge ... that any of the attackers were in the United States.” Supposedly, a post-9/11 NSA review found no intercepts of calls involving any of the 19 hijackers.

Yet, in the summer of 2001 (see Summer 2001), the NSA intercepted communications between Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, and hijacker Mohamed Atta, when he was in charge of operations in the US. What was said between the two has not been revealed. The NSA also intercepted multiple phone calls from Abu Zubaida, bin Laden’s chief of operations, to the US in the days before 9/11 (see Early September 2001). But who was called or what was said has not been revealed.

... awaiting translation? I seem to recall that there was the 'excuse' of not having enough Arab language translators. At the same time, they canned four such translators for being (horror-of-horrors!) gay and captured high-schooler Johnny Taliban from Marin ... who apparently accomplished more than any CIA agent was ever able to accomplish.

n/t

When she lost her job. Wasn't she the person that said her boss wanted her and all the translators to slow down on their work.

and Chauffeur cars and unexpected escorts. Basically watch your freaking back.

I'd bet a video file of his statements and allegations, with whatever documentation he has to support it. His lawyers must have this somewhere. Its too valuable to risk losing everything if the source "dies".

and he wasn't captian.

presidency, even though he was under constant assault.

Rather fitting nomenclature, eh?

I will use this image with the "incompetent design" caption.

(Segway, Pretzel, bike fall, etc.)

Most of his falls were done in private, we didn't get the pleasure of watching. Gerald Ford, now that guy knew how to entertain.

"Tip of the Iceberg"--reminds me of a certain "mushroom cloud" I heard about once; can't get it out of my head ooh, scary :scared:

Interesting! I did not catch that, an omen??

:popcorn:

Jack dies, fade to black, play annoying Celine Dion music.

:hide:

they are only doing their job whether they agree with it or not!

i have 2 homes...when i came to my winter home..in nov..it took 3 days that my lines were clear..and then on the 4th day the clicking and swishing happened..and has continued to today.
it happened in my summer home all last summer ..and it happens on my cell phone...

and no one will tell me its just in the phones..my husband was a vp of a union for many years..and we lived in canada..it happened to us years ago..we were told by the union when we lived in canada we had no constitutional rights and they could legally do it to us in canada..

well its the same swishing..and the same clicks..

i know what i am hearing..

and when it occurs the peoople i am talking to and i turn our conversation to menstural flow! ..to give them an earful!

it is very quiet but i know the sound...and i have no doubt what i am hearing!

fly

Google echelon if you want to understand how high tech snooping works. They don't tap individual phones, they plug their data vacuums into the high speed switches that route all the messages (voice and data) going through the network. They plug into satellites, into backbone black fibre switches, into the choke points of the global data network - and they can snarf EVERYTHING. Their problem is not access to the data, it is data analysis.

I have heard that same noise since 2001. I had suspected wire tapping of some sort and now this info is revealed. I often wondered about that low swooshing sound. At least I know now that it's not just me. The clicking is very loud and obvious no matter where I'm calling to or from. I ope there is hell to pay for this. They should not be able to get away with it.

That is their job. If you were to look at the yearly production of backup tape and spinning storage in total terabytes and where it goes this would be obvious. I work for a medium sized company. We have 4 terabytes of data on tape. That is enough to spool all conversations in the us for a couple of days. The NSA probably has thousands of times this capacity and probably drives storage innovation. Helical tape heads and dual loop fibre disk have amazing capabilities.

You don't hear swishes or clicks on a tap. Data is just mirrored off and recorded. Words are translated into searchable form. Computers search on voice pattern, location, key words, etc. This is done with fuzzy algorithms. This is done in every language spoken.

There is no non governmental encryption that they can not smash.

That is what we pay them to do.

:eyes: I swear, the people * elects..........

:puke:

CAN SHOCK ME!!

they killed my co-workers on 9/11 ..they have bankrupted my country, they took us to war illegally, they have tortured illegally, they have committed murder ie car crashes , suicide, small plane crashes..
they have deliberately spied on americans and lied and then admitted they did it and don't give a rats ass if we know about it..they laugh in our faces about shredding our constitution..what the fuck could surprise me?????????

fly

:hug:

Are we going to be able to learn anything about what happens?

'...most kinds of surveillance have gotten much easier in the digital age. Agents can tap mobile phones, gain access to reams of electronic communications such as email, conduct DNA identification tests, and track people's locations using cell phone signals. Surely the greater ease of surveillance in these arenas and others more than makes up for the negligible difficulty of capturing a few VoIP calls and IM conversations.'


http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/CALEA/
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Congress passed the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) in 1994 to make it easier for law enforcement to wiretap digital telephone networks. CALEA forced telephone companies to redesign their network architectures to make wiretapping easier. It expressly did not regulate data traveling over the Internet.

But now federal law enforcement agencies want to change that. On March 10, 2004, the Department of Justice (DOJ), the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) filed a joint petition with the FCC. The petition requested that CALEA's reach be expanded to cover communications that travel over the Internet. Thus, Broadband providers would be required to rebuild their networks to make it easier for law enforcement to tap Internet "phone calls" that use VOIP applications such as Vonage, as well as online "conversations" using various kinds of instant messaging (IM) programs like AOL Instant Messenger (AIM).

On March 10, 2004, the Department of Justice (DOJ), the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) filed a joint petition with the FCC. The petition requested that CALEA's reach be expanded to cover communications that travel over the Internet. Thus, Broadband providers would be required to rebuild their networks to make it easier for law enforcement to tap Internet "phone calls" that use VOIP applications such as Vonage, as well as online "conversations" using various kinds of instant messaging (IM) programs like AOL Instant Messenger (AIM).

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there always seems to be more where that came from, and that it is worse.

this has got to bring him down. It's an ongoing "death by a thousand cuts." The RW pundits are looking more and more pathetic every day trying to justify their boss.

No matter what they say about the need for this or that activity, all we have to say is, "But it is illegal--why haven't they gotten the laws changed--they have control of all three branches of government!"

Speak out of both sides of their mouths at once

Durbin (Dem Illinois) started saying (he spoke at the hearing shortly after Feinstein)
that {I will be paraphrasing} "Oh my God - Bad bad phone customer info gathering. For shame for shame."

But then seconds later he brightened up and out and said, "Yet when I met Hayden yesterday I was
imrpessed by what an honorable sincere man he is and so my thinking is
that perhaps we should change these laws so that it WOULD be legal for the fine
officials appointed to protect us from terrorism can continue to keep us safe" {Again I am paraphrasing}

Of course this random and widespread info gathering CANNOT be made legal in any country that
abides by the rule of the Constitution -
but then Durbin is no Constitutional scholar...

Durbin is usually with the good guys on issues. All may not necessarily be as it seems on the surface.

we better thank for keeping this alive...Senator Arlen Specter. None of this would EVER have happened if it wasn't for him.

When I reported on HAARP for the Coastal Post, I talked to one GeoScientist
who said that HAARP combined with the chemtrails could create a "cone of
audiofeed" in which a specific space (say in your living room) could be listened into.

Understanding what the scientist was saying would require me to understand Tesla's
contributions to science. But apparently our officials have warned in the mid-90's that
"other nations" were developping the science to handle surveillance techniques that would
deprieve American citizens of their privacy.

The original patent for HAARP also intimated that HAARP would have surveillance
abilities...

www.coastalpost.com/03/03/12.htm

And if its Illegal one might consider it a "High Crime".

504 people polled over the phone, as the wiretapping news was breaking is not the kind of poll that should be refered to as "some polls indicate" over and over and over again, unexamined, over every media outlet in the country!

poll in a month and it will be below 40, I'll bet.

very conservative Pro-Bu$h central Florida town.

http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=POLLARCHIVE&ShowCategory=OPINION

is a multi BILLION dollar agency with the ability to intercept and LOCATE any electronic signal on the planet. Email, phone, whatever.

It is CRITICAL that the NSA not be involved in any political mess. The NSA is there for a reason.

Its capability and methods should not be made public.

In cases of abuse it should be investigated by CIA or other cleared groups, action taken, and reports sealed.

It helps none of us to shoot ourselves in the foot by attacking the NSA.

"It is CRITICAL that the NSA not be involved in any political mess."

As soon as the texas mafia started using the NSA system illegally, in direct violation of law and constitution, it became a political mess. It is our ethical obligation to put an end to this right now, and if the NSA system (which system is secret only to us peasants) is exposed in the process that is the fault of the criminals in the white house.

get in shape. This is supposed to be the United States of America, not the United States of PNAC and the Barons.

Tice says that Gen Hayden oversaw and conducted unprecedented surveillance on the American people. Obviously, Hayden enjoys this kind of Unconstitutional, sick activity and is more than willing to cover it up. He likes being Bush's spy guy.

I know I'm stating the obvious here, but Junior obviously wants someone like this to head the CIA--because Junior believes that it's tantamount to have a CIA head who is totally committed to spying on and violating the rights of Americans. Junior didn't select an intelligence expert, or an expert on Middle East terrorism. He picked a career military man who is at the epicenter of illegal activities that involve spying on Americans.

So. Sick. So. Disturbing.

For Junior to pick someone like this--means that he is willing to set aside all important functions of the CIA---and focus on spying on Americans. So what if the agency can't gather intelligence or effectively pursue terrorists. He'll have a big organization, at his disposal--spying on Americans, rooting out his enemies, documenting private information on anyone he wants--at a moment's notice.

We have a pResident who is more focused on digging into our lives--than he is about gathering intelligence on our enemies or keeping us safe.

I'd call that sick and paranoid. I'd say this is clear evidence that Junior has lost his mind. What in the hell is he doing? Seriously. Why is this so damn important to him?

""After three days, NSA awoke from its electronic coma, its memory still intact."

Hayden's NSA had just recovered from being down for three whole days due to the Y2K patch job.

"We covered the whole thing for them", said one GCHQ official, "to their acute embarrassment.""

Maybe Congress will question the General about how his systems always seem to get outsourced and offshored. Hint, Global Information Group, Ltd., in the Bahamas.

This has probably already been posted somewhere on DU, but just in case, here it is--a must read:

The NSA, the Database and YOU
by SusanG http://www.dailykos.com/

10 reasons to stop the spying--for those who have their heads buried in the sand--you are being kicked in the ass.

... we all know about those small planes crashing and unexplained car accidents that befall people who are about to give testimony against these folks. He needs some bodyguards. Seriously.

will start? When someone is rooting through their bank account or their underwear drawer?

time.

a shovel to get through all the shit that is happening.....:smoke:

Bahamas Firm Screens Personal Data To Assess Risk
Operation Avoids U.S. Privacy Rules

By Robert O'Harrow Jr.
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, October 16, 2004; Page A01

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36853-2004Oct15.html

combined with the information re ChoicePoint, in Greg Palast's article

THE SPIES WHO SHAG US
THE TIMES AND USA TODAY HAVE MISSED THE BIGGER STORY -- AGAIN
Buzzflash
Friday May 12, 2006
by Greg Palast
http://www.gregpalast.com/

shows us that a PRIVATE REPUBICAN SPYING NETWORK has essentially been set up offshore in the Bahamas, under color of authority by the NSA and a wink and a nod from the R's-controlled Congressional 'oversight' committees.

Shaky kneed D's in Congress (Feinstein for example) have finally alluded to the consequences of this program: a Contitutional Crisis. The Fourth, Fifth, and Ninth amendments to the Constitution have been erased.

computers and re-tabulate the results. What I wouldn't give to have something come out about election fraud through the phone/computer wires.

(1) Rove indictment
(2) Yet another NSA scandal about spying on all of us
(3) Cheney's notes which began the whole Traitorgate (Wilson/Plame) scandal are now public record.

Unless I'm forgetting something, that's only three gigantic new scandals this week, all in all a pretty calm week for the Bushitler regime.


(edit to add Cheney)

He's got to be a prime target of the BFEE. I'm anxious to see how many of the repuke assholes on the armed services committee will ask him if he's mentally ill OR insinuate it?? The last article I read about Tice was one attacking him by saying he was mentally deranged. That's their modus operandi on this guy. I so hope he's under some protection. :scared: