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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 07:34 AM Original message |
Is the US locked in to postmodernism? |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 07:51 AM Response to Original message |
1. No, it's just another age of Robber Barons |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 08:03 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Those trendy buzzwords |
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Stanchetalarooni (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 08:18 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Robber Baron? You must be talking about my father-in-law. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
3. sweetheart, I love your post here. I took a guilty sidetrip with it and |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 12:06 PM Response to Reply #3 |
114. Christokooks!!!! gotta love it...love it love it |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 12:59 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. HI to you, spokane, and while I'm late in saying so, a warm welcome |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
5. Where would a post-human work? |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 11:25 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. very post-modern |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 11:48 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. LOL |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 08:09 PM Response to Reply #5 |
67. Soylent Green factory? |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
6. Not sure I understand your question |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
7. That is an interesting question |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 11:36 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Feminism is, IMO, post-humanist |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 12:08 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Transhumanism.... |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 05:42 PM Response to Reply #12 |
49. There is poststructuralist feminism (Judith Butler, for instance) |
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slybacon9 (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 05:14 AM Response to Reply #12 |
128. also eco feminism |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
8. O sweetheart are u there? |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 11:21 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Hello i'm slow.. (garden work outside) |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 02:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
33. thanx for explanation |
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Ripley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
9. Some believe Superhumanism is coming. |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
13. In a word, no. |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 12:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. If it is not "temporal or evolutionary" how do they see it? |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 01:19 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. Well, sort of |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
16. (because of inculturated modernist attittudes) people misunderstand pomo |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 12:26 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. inclusiveness |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 12:32 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. exactly--Heidegger gave pomos a bad rap |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 12:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. pardon me |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 12:56 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. see post 20 |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 01:18 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. so I see (I think) |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 01:22 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. "Postmodernism" is frequently a catchphrase |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 02:39 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. Time for re-labelling? |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 09:15 AM Response to Reply #22 |
106. There is none other than faux-postmodernism; postmodernism is false. |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 09:40 AM Response to Reply #106 |
109. yet it is operational social reality |
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Hidden Stillness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
20. A Selfish Dismissal of Others, Masking as "Philosophy" |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 07:48 PM Response to Reply #20 |
64. Thank you for this post |
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jokerman93 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 09:51 PM Response to Reply #20 |
89. Nice post! |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 07:27 PM Response to Reply #20 |
121. Thank you for completely misrepresenting complex issues. |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
26. There is a reason I never majored in |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 02:47 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. There's a reason why |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
27. . |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
28. Urgghh. Is that 20th century French philosophy? |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
29. Postmodernism = crazies who reject the notion of truth. |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 07:28 PM Response to Reply #29 |
122. Thanks for completely misrepresenting complex issues. |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
30. Someone on this thread mentioned the Nazi/postmodern connection |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 02:27 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Bingo, it's a tool of the corporatists. |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 03:24 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. I think so. Is there any documentation of the connection? |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 08:29 AM Response to Reply #36 |
100. Nitzche/nihilism, perhaps |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 03:30 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Where |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 03:46 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Its good that we talk about it, to clear up those bugbears |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 04:07 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Ah, sweetheart, I dare ya! |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 04:21 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. not me sweetie |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 04:33 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. A title that contradicts the actual post: post modern? or post-post-modern |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 04:47 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. If it is a mental construct, yes |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 05:44 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. If human knowledge is a mental construct, then |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 06:15 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Re: your assertion that |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 06:36 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. OK: Define postmodernism. (And I'm serious in my request) |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 05:30 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. Well, it's entirely possible |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 05:56 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. LOL |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 06:39 PM Response to Reply #48 |
59. Well then do it! You're on. (And I'm serious) |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 07:27 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. For the distinction between postmodernism and |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 08:15 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. No apologies for the specialized vocabulary |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 09:11 PM Response to Reply #62 |
76. I would like Alcibiades_mystery and marion's ghost to look at this, too |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 10:48 PM Response to Reply #76 |
96. There's really too much here to respond to |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 05:54 PM Response to Reply #39 |
53. They believe radically different things |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 06:41 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. They are different to be sure, but all create instability which |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 08:05 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. First, you have to explain what you mean by "create instability" |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 08:16 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Ok ,you guys, don't bullshit me |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 09:21 PM Response to Reply #70 |
78. Well teach away! Everyone's entitled to an opinion, yes? |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 08:42 AM Response to Reply #78 |
103. yes |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 09:20 PM Response to Reply #66 |
77. I've invited you to another posting on this thread, but I'll explain here |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 09:46 PM Response to Reply #77 |
85. Sounds about right |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 04:16 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. well this topic is more |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 04:41 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Ideas have social and political consequences, marions ghost |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 04:53 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. whats this high and low? |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 05:02 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. It's from an "unnamed administration official" inspired by Strauss |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 05:43 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. seems to me that |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 06:30 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. Ideas all end up being co-opted in the end |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 08:28 PM Response to Reply #57 |
71. can you |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 08:35 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Oh, you'll find some crazy stuff attempting a connection |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 08:50 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. so what do you think |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 09:45 PM Response to Reply #74 |
84. There is no need to fear or hope |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 09:38 PM Response to Reply #73 |
81. But you said postmodernism is not related to Foucault |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 09:50 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. It no surprise either that people should be stuck in the |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 10:19 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. Gottcha! |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 10:20 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Cheers |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 10:16 PM Response to Reply #81 |
91. neocons, etc. |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 10:53 PM Response to Reply #81 |
97. And Kojeve taught Lacan |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 11:15 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. It's Six Degrees of Jean Hyppolite |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 09:31 PM Response to Reply #71 |
80. There's actually a post on this thread that I'd love for you to read |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 09:48 PM Response to Reply #80 |
86. So who was he citing? |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 08:39 AM Response to Reply #71 |
102. postmodernism: "there's no truth" - neocon: "there's no morality" |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 09:33 AM Response to Reply #102 |
108. Could you tell me where any postmodernist says |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 07:34 PM Response to Reply #108 |
124. Yup. This thread is full of over-simplification, over-generalization |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-16-06 04:15 AM Response to Reply #124 |
131. Funnily though... |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 04:00 AM Response to Reply #50 |
125. You say "the basis of postmodernism is not fascist": what does it mean? |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 01:43 PM Response to Reply #125 |
130. OK |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 05:52 PM Response to Reply #30 |
52. Propoganda of the French right wing to associate pomo w/ Nazism |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 06:46 PM Response to Reply #52 |
61. Foucault has been described as right wing |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 08:04 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. That's absolute nonsense |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 09:43 PM Response to Reply #65 |
82. So you're saying that some academic theorists are imbeciles. :) |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 09:51 PM Response to Reply #82 |
88. Whatever issues the Marxists may have had with Foucault |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 08:15 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. Foucault, right wing? |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 08:30 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Fellow Deleuzian here |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 09:45 PM Response to Reply #69 |
83. Thanks for your explanation. |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
31. I think you would find Richard Rorty very illuminating. |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 04:54 PM Response to Reply #31 |
46. This statement occurs within a postmodern paradigm |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
55. The U.S. is locked into |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
63. I am "uneducated" about this stuff, I think. |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 10:09 PM Response to Reply #63 |
90. Actually, you sound better informed than most, and more logical |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 10:34 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. I'm quite well read, and interested. |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
75. ttt |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
79. Just cycling the Dark Ages back through. |
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Hidden Stillness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
95. "It's the New Way, Not the Old Way!" |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 09:24 AM Response to Reply #95 |
107. The most eloquent explanation for turning off your TV set... |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 08:03 AM Response to Original message |
99. Maybe the question should be |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 08:54 AM Response to Reply #99 |
104. Both Jameson and Lyotard were doing cultural analyses |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 01:14 PM Response to Reply #104 |
118. Ok thanks |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 01:14 PM Response to Reply #99 |
129. I like this deconstruction |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 08:30 AM Response to Original message |
101. Not sure about "locked in", but a culture of nihilism |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 09:09 AM Response to Reply #101 |
105. Would you really describe american culture as nihilist? |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 10:04 AM Response to Reply #101 |
110. I noticed this on the New York Times today |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
111. One of my first DU posts in 2001 was How * was the first Post-Modern Pres |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
112. It is funny how postmodern is used |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 11:56 AM Response to Reply #112 |
113. OK I see |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 12:58 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. It makes me think about what I'm doing |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
117. Deconstructive Postmodernism vs. Constructive Postmodernism |
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Hidden Stillness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 02:37 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. They are Against the Pre-Corporate Past |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 07:23 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. That particular part |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-17-06 07:31 AM Response to Reply #120 |
132. The idea of deconstruction |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 07:30 PM Response to Reply #117 |
123. Thank you for adding nuance and understanding to complex issues. |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 04:10 AM Response to Original message |
126. "Post-humanism" - A philosophy/belief system exhorted by neocon |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 04:10 AM Response to Original message |
127. I don't know any of that terminology, but... |
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