Mood - Pissed. Rant mode - On.

In reference to: http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/05/13.html#a8274

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That sick, twisted, little, blue-blazer-fascist has the audacity to compare supporting the Yankees to supporting the troops?!?!? They don't need someone at home CHEERING THEM ON!!! They need people calling their representatives, hounding their officials, making sure that they are given the equipment, body armor, adequate troop numbers, or trying to bring them HOME!!!!!! That's Supporting the Troops!!!

I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but a yellow ribbon sticker on your car doesn't help. Sitting at home and shutting up, ignoring the lies, ignoring torture, ignoring sweetheart contracts to corporate friends, and just "not complaining" isn't helping any of our troops. Supporting our Troops is protesting in the street, trying to get the troops home safe and sound, calling your representatives, essentially what DU has been doing since it's beginning.

Don't be afraid to call it a quagmire, or even to call it civil war. What we do isn't hurting the troops at all. The average Iraqi insurgent doesn't need to see a public opinion poll from USA today to keep him motivated. All they need to do is LOOK IN THE STREET !!!! See the occupying force, look at the bodies in the morgue, see the blood-stains in the street, or look at the destruction of his beloved home. Compared to that, is what Randi Rhodes says on Air America important? These people don't even have basic utilities at all times, they can't get LOCAL stations, much less broadcasts from the US.

As long as the sheeple keep equating supporting the troops with supporting sports teams or Nascar, they'll be helping only as much as they help the teams. Just ask ARod, or Derek Jeter how much it supports them, when "Stephen Noname" watches a game and drinks a beer and cheers from his couch. Better yet, ask a soldier returning from the sandbox how much "Sally down the street" putting a yellow ribbon on her car helped him/her in Iraq.

Screw it, Start the Draft! When all these young repukes are sent to war, and realize it's bullshit. When they realize that what someone at home says has no effect on whether you're taking shrapnel in your ass, maybe then their eyes will open. I know of no other way to break their brainwashing, so maybe watching their friends die will finally make them question the "leadership" of this country. Maybe losing a leg, arm, sight, or basic motor functioning, and then realize how badly Chimpy screwed over the veterans will wake them up.

Until that happens, I've given up on them. They're dead to me.

Support the Draft.

Just like they did last time.

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who have connections will. The religious, and just plain simple-minded will be snagged, college deferments end with the end of the semester that they are called up in. It's going to be a LOT harder to dodge a draft nowadays.

or the working poor.That's who will bear the burden of a draft. That's who will be bribed or shamed or jailed into service with a draft. The hope that a draft will jump start a rebellion is difficult to believe when we have lost most of our outlets of descent.The draftees will be cherry picked as in VietNam War. The cushy nonthreatening prestigious jobs go to the Party connected and the grunts will be us.Look at it now. Get the picture that a draft would only make things worse. This administration can do not good. Don't give them more lives to screw with.
The reason the Party doesn't want a draft is that they are making a huge profit from us without a draft. You can be sure we will have a fight on our hands if they feel there is more money in a draft. Do not present it as a gift.

I saw him on Larry King.
He is the type that you would just want to walk up to and slap in the face before he even opens his mouth to wipe the smirk off his face.

You know that if he ever had to deal with real combat, he would be sitting on the floor crying and peeing in his pants.

Conscription is the only power they don't have yet.

They can steal our votes, they can steal our personal data,
they can steal our money, they can steal our land,
but they can't MAKE us fight their fucking wars, yet.

You think the draft will be fair? You think the sons of the rich and powerful
will be placed in harms way? Think again. Look to our Dear Leader, and his
military record. There is no such thing as a fair draft. Never has been.
Never will be.

All a draft would do is give them an unlimited supply of cannon fodder.

made with the draft, things aren't like they were in Vietnam. College deferments have been limited ONLY till the end of the semester, then it's SHAPE UP AND SHIP OUT SOLDIER !!!!

This isn't targetting JUST the rich and powerful, but primarily the young repukes. Let's be honest the rich will ALWAYS stay with the repukes, we need to take away their believers. The religious, the righteous, the disillusioned. The people who believe, but don't have daddy pulling strings to get them into a "champagne brigade." These are who we should be targetting, they need to be hit with reality like a cold hard salmon upside the face (always been a desire of mine to catch one of the fish they toss at the market, and use it to slap a repuke upside the face, lol).

A draft would have a 2 pronged effect, the coward repukes will rush to Canada, just like some of the freepers admitted they would do in case of a draft. Furthermore it would solidify opposition to the war among the civilian populace. A draft for an unnecessary and unpopular war would have a SERIOUS backlash.

If we can avoid Iran, a draft wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, we desperately need more troops if we don't pull out of Iraq, just to stabilize the area. I'd rather we get out entirely, but I doubt repuke or dem leadership would do that (makes em look weak, dontcha know).

So I understand. Since most of the proposals would draft people at age 20, this would generally
cut off one's college education a year shy of a degree. Seems perverse.
They aren't going to just be able to pick up where they left off after being forced into the Army for 2 or 4 or 8 or however many years.
Many who are in college are far from wealthy, and most of are NOT Republicans.
Will the financial aid they are getting now still be available when they get out of the Army?
If not, will GI Bill benefits make up for the loss?


Those they cannot turn into soldiers they destroy. http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/index.php?id=1511


Seems like it will scoop up young Democrats at least as efficiently -- probably more so, due to lack of the sort
of "connections" that can get you into a "champagne" unit (like **) or out on some imaginary medical condition
like some other chickenhawks we know.

There is no way to make it fair. If you disallow medical exemptions, you end up sending sick and disabled people
to be slaughtered in battle, which isn't exactly fair either.

Not everybody is cut out to be a soldier.

If the Draft has Democratic fingerprints on it, it will be Democrats who pay the price at the polls!



The rich are deserting the repukes in droves, because they can see that the repukes are irresponsible madmen!
For the most part, the rich like stability, and ** is destabilizing stuff big-time.

Quite a few of the rich never were taken in by ** in the first place. (John Kerry and George Soros come to mind)


Seems like a lot of them have kids in the Army already. Some of the rest would probably approve of their kids getting forced into the Army. They think it's the Crusade.


Presumably those who disapprove of the war would be even less inclined to sacrifice themselves or their children to it.
A lot of people will rush to Canada. Most of our best and brightest. Our loss. Their gain.


It took longer for the Vietnam war to become as unpopular as the Iraq war now is, and there was a draft for that war.


But if Democrats' fingerprints are on the draft, the backlash will be against Democrats!


IF

The only reason we have avoided Iran so far is a lack of available cannon fodder.


If they don't have the draft, they will have to bring home the troops, and soon!

With a draft, an unlimited supply of cannon fodder, they can continue and expand to their bloodthirsty hearts' content.

PNAC needs the draft. They know they need the draft, but it's political suicide,
so they are trying to get the Democrats to commit political suicide for them.
Then they get their draft and move on to crank up World War III with the opposition completely neutered.

They have all the machinery in place for cranking up the draft on very short notice. They are just waiting for an
opening to get it through while avoiding the political consequences, or preferably shifting them onto us.

We should expose the Republicans secret plans to start up the draft.
That will have all of the good effects you are looking for, and none of the bad ones of actually having a draft.

of "exposing" any repuke plans for a draft. It will be turned into another round of "he said, she said" by the media. The only way we could step up the number of troops with a draft would be if we trusted the administration not to use them in Iran, sadly we can't with the current administration. Chimpy will just use stop-losses to dangle the current members of the military on a string until he's finally ousted in 2009.

It's obvious we NEED a draft just to secure Iraq and Afghanistan, but the repukes in control won't touch the issue, and are hoping the Dems will shoot themselves in the foot (partywise) by doing the noble/necessary thing. I'm not saying the Dems need to commit public opinion suicide, they need to call out the repukes.

Call out * and the repukes in congress for pushing for war, but not sending the necessary troop levels, don't let up. Make them look bad for not planning, and not supporting the troops that are there. Clearly state the democratic stance of withdrawal (as Kerry has done). If they won't support withdrawal, use public embarrassment:

"If you want a job done and done right, vote Democratic. If you want a job started, and given a pathetic half-hearted effort, take a look at Iraq, there's an example of Republican work ethic for you."

Democratic candidates, and leaders need to POUND this message through the public mind.

my little "party line." I'd love to see an actual Dem official use it.

That is a legitimate concern. We have a very hard time getting any kind of message out, with all the Repub control of the media.

That being the case, how would the Democrats avoid being blamed for the draft if significant numbers of Democrats vote for it?
Seems to me that's the one thing we could do right now that would allow the Republicans to win the upcoming elections without massive cheating.
Millions of Democrats with kids would desert the party, and there are many times more parents than soldiers.

If Democrats even hint at a draft, the media will play it up into THE DEMOCRATS WANT TO DRAFT YOUR KIDS!, and we will get slaughtered at the polls. You can bank on it!



We should be so lucky. I think it more likely that he will try to swindle the Democrats into proposing the draft, out of a misguided hope that it will be "fair", somehow.
The Repubs run with it, but make sure that our party gets all the "credit" for it. The draft starts up, we get the blame, and the Republicans sweep the elections,
and then sweep into Iran and half a dozen other countries.

The regime is treating our soldiers very, very badly. Not only do they stop-loss them, they are cutting benefits, and nickel-and-diming the wounded.
We need to call them on that, but we must not fall for their Rovian trick! They are holding our troops hostage, in the hope that our party will
be willing to commit political suicide on their behalf.



Secure them how and for whom?

Afghanistan never has been, and never will be, "secure". Ask the Russians about that, and everbody else who ever tried.

How can Iraq be "secure" when the Shiites and the Sunnis are so intent on killing each other,
and quite a few of both are intent on killing our troops? Saddam kept Iraq "secure" by imposing
a ruthless dictatorship. We seem to have replaced it with one that is both ruthless and inept.

How can our soldiers keep "peace" over there, when we cannot even talk to them???
Far too often, the language barrier results in bloodshed over there.
Making peace requires the ability to communicate. There is a huge language barrier.
We would need a very large number of troops that speak Arabic (and soon, Farsi).
You cannot get that with a conscript army, because learning foreign languages takes many years.

...sometimes the choir also needs to hear the sermon. Preach on brother! I totally agree with you and you said it so much better than I could have.

Thanks for the C&L link. I'm so glad Randi ripped that guy a new one, and she would have continued to do so if the host had not pulled the plug on her. That little prick will support the war, but he won't go fight it. What a hypocritical little coward...

Randi spoke longer and louder than the other 3 guests. I watched it 3 times, and enjoyed it.

Ferguson, who supports the war didn't have an original thought of his own. He spouted off talking points, which Randi called him on!

Randi was on fire last night!

I cant believe that little fucking punk compared supporting a baseball team to supporting the military. he gives people my age a bad name.

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I'm 25, but I'm NOTHING like that sick fuck, at 21 I was railing against this pResidency. Even in Nov of 2001 I was warning people about the war in Iraq, no one believed me though.

It's outrageous how dense he is. Somehow he thinks that no body armor, inadequate troop numbers, etc. FROM THE START are because we are calling it a Quagmire NOW. I didn't know words had the ability to go back in time and hurt our troops 3 YEARS AGO!!!!!

He is in uniform RIGHT NOW!!!

He is in Iraq RIGHT NOW!!!

They need replacements for him RIGHT NOW!!!

The guy in the video link looks very able bodied, although a bit thick in the middle. The Army will take care of that in no time.

F#*king douchebag tool.

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I have two friends over there right now, a number who have come back safely, one came back wounded with permanent nerve damage in his arm, and another who came back in a coffin. The best we can do is make certain that we get our troops back home safely.

I had family in the military while growing up, and know what you are going through. Thank you, for your husband's service, and for your personal sacrifice, when someone serves in the military, it's their family that serves too. Time apart is never easy, my mom used to love Richard Marx - Right here waiting, I remember replaying that song over and over for her.

I wish I could do more to make it easier for you. Here's a :hug: for you and a :patriot: for your husband.

The way to get your husband home safe is not to draft my nieces and nephews to take his place.

The way to get your husband home safe is to BRING ALL THE TROOPS HOME!

Fucking little Chickenhawk PUNK!

Between you two, this kid isn't fit to wash the jockstraps of the Yankees or the troops.