Gonzales at courthouse with Rove? on Friday?

another Rove teaser!

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/
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> May 13, 2006 -- Yesterday afternoon, WMR was staked out at the E. Barrett Prettyman Federal Courthouse in Washington awaiting any developments in the CIA leak case. A little after noon, a large motorcade consisting of black and one green SUV, several police cars and police motorcycles sped into the street behind the courthouse. Two SUVs split from the motorcade and quickly dashed into the underground parking garage. Several personal security officers were spotted on guard in the annex of the courthouse where the CIA leak case grand jury was meeting. Although there is no final confirmation that the motorcade was that of Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, there is every indication that he spent approximately a little under 30 minutes in the courthouse.
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> Last October, Gonzales made a similar trip to the courthouse on a Friday to hear the decision of the grand jury investigating Vice President Dick Cheney's Chief of Staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby. The Attorney General's appearance at the grand jury is a formality and there is an opportunity for him to pose questions to the jury. After last October's visit to the grand jury, Gonzales informed the White House that Libby was to be indicted. One week later, Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald delivered a five count indictment against Libby.

just for that reason.

We will always need intelligence operatives, isn't everyone always complaining about the faulty intelligence that lead to the Iraq war, so we need people to gather intelligence. If we had kept a good shop with competent people at the top maybe we wouldn't be in this trillion dollar
war. Maybe if we let the pros do it instead of hacks we wouldn't have I spy everywhere.
Millions spent to track you and me when they should be chasing Osama.

As far as I can tell.

Either that or he is soooooo right and there is a widespread cover up from the bottom up that keeps everything (His whole 2004 election theft series was wayyyyyy out there. I believe it was rigged, but he was wayyy out there)

I think he's either crazy or just an attention whore.

No credibility.

I'm hoping for Jason Leopold's story to prove out. I'd hate to think he'd been Rove'd by Rove, about Rove. (too ironic)

He also put his name on his blog for all his posts, it takes a lot of courage to do that.

Is the AG Required to come to courthouse and confront jury, just prior to them handing down indictments? Did he do so for libby? That would lend credibility to all accounts which indicate he may have been indicted late yesterday, following gonzales appearing at the courthouse.

Since it was late on a Friday, perhaps the indictments were indeed filed as Sealed, and will be opened early next week.

since Karl Rove is still working in the White House, I am sure that there is a million protocols
for this kind of thing. (Well it didn't work too well for Clinton but they were waiting to
bust his chops from day one.)

if he did they could decide to open their own investigation of the ag intimating them...a federal grand jury is a pretty powerful group of people with the power to indict. if they felt the ag was doing that they could bring an indictment against him and fitzgerald would have to charge him

monitor a federal grand jury investigation in anything that i have read int the rules of conduct in a federal case. oh yes there is no "asking the jury" wayne`s making stuff up again

in the proceedings, I believe that the indictments are given to him to serve to Rove,
he is the AG, we are talking about a WH official here, and I think that is what they
did with Libby. Remember when they were going to ask for information, they notified
Gonzales first and he notified those involved if I remember correctly.

:kick:

Will Pitt has just confirmed that the 24 hours refers to business days, since it was served
Saturday, than means Tuesday is the best bet which is what I thought.

and I support the statment that the AG was sighted at the Court House and I take it to mean
that's something is up! As for it not being absolutely sure that it was him. How many
Chevy Surburbans with an FBI detail would have special access to a DC Courthouse. My sister
works in DC and the buildings are harder to access than the Great Wall of China. As for what
he did there, I don't know. Maybe after the proceedings ended, he was given the indictments
to serve. I don't know, but my best guess is that there is some sort of protocol involved
in serving a White House Official and he is the highest ranking Justice Official in the land,
his finger would be in the pie, somehow.

:-)

I was fooled by Wayne Madsen one too many times

Does the AG really travel around DC in a massive motorcade of multiple SUVs, several police cars and police motorcycles?

Even Rove, arguably a more powerful figure, drives his own car to work everyday.

Again, I'm pleading ignorance here, but I thought this kind of heavy handed entourage was only given to a selected few principals in the chain of command (POTUS, VP and maybe the Secretary of Defence)...

Alberto Gonzales: Wheels of Justice
By Laura BlumenfeldTuesday, April 11, 2006; Page A19

The attorney general's motorcade rolled out of the Justice Department, black glass and armored metal, flashing red and blue lights, and giant shiny grills that roared with importance.
"I ride in a Chevy Suburban with an FBI detail. Their job is to protect me," Gonzales said. "When I go bike riding, they ride with me."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/10/AR2006041001305.html

it was gonzales and then goes on as if it were established that it was gonzales stating that there is "every indication" that he spent almost 30 minutes there.

What "formality" requires the AG of the US to appear before fed grand juries and have the opportunity to pose questions? If that were the case he'd be hopping all over the country to appear before fed grand juries.

how many times do White House Officials get indicted???? Actually, let me say that the
answer to that question is too many times since 2000.

powers of the US AG in regards to this case.

What "formality" allegedly was observed? One that exists only when WH staff are in the crosshairs of a fed grand jury? So an AG of the US gets to question jurors in a case from which he has recused himself because of his close ties to and involvement with potential subjects/targets of the investigation, some of whom may be charged with crimes? A case in which even Gonzales' own past actions as WH Counsel might come under scrutiny? Such involvement with the investigation and grand jury would seem potentially prejudicial, which is why Gonzales recused himself from the investigation when he became US AG.

And again, Madsen states he has no confirmation actually placing Gonzales at the courthouse and meeting with/observing the Plame grand jury and yet goes on to report as if it was factually confirmed. Maybe he was at the courthouse, maybe he wasn't, but that he was there and if so why is still just speculation on Madsen's part.

And the idea that Gonzales would be allowed to pose questions to a grand jury in a case from which he not only recused himself but reportedly previously provided testimony is a tad outlandish IMO.

Furthermore, according to Madsen, Gonzales told the WH that Libby was going to be indicted a week before the indictment was handed down? So the AG supposedly violated grand jury secrecy in a matter from which he, like Ashcroft, recused himself to avoid precisely that sort of thing from happening?

but the only part that I really believed was the observed appearance of Gonzales, i.e. in
my extremely amateur's view to pick up the indictments to be served on Rove, as for the rest,
I thought that was hearsay since I do not believe that these hearings are public and
I accept them as rumor.

Supposedly all he saw were vehicles and has no confirmation who was in them or why they were there.

And there is no need or reason for the Attorney General of the US to play messenger boy with indictments, regardless of who is indicted. Fitz is in charge of the investigation and case, not Gonzales. Again, Gonzales is recused from the case. He was a witness, perhaps even a subject of the investigation.

What actual facts has Madsen provided in this report? Only the presumably first hand info that Friday after noon he saw a motorcade arrive at the courthouse and leave less than 30 minutes later. That's it.

but remember, this is Alberto Gonzales that we are talking about, the same man that still refers
to George Bush as my client, who has been with him since his days as a Texas governor. I still
believe that he would be there to root for the home team, even if it was just to pick up
the indictments, & when do these people play according to the rules?

why they were there and you apparently from that accept the story that he spun, however improbable and filled with stuff that cannot be factually correct.

So who would give Gonzales the indictment? The court over which he has no jurisdiction and knows that he is recused from the matter, has no authority in the matter and was a witness in the investigation? Or do you think Fitz did, knowing the same and that he is the US AG for purposes of this case and that such action on Gonzales part violates his recusal and could well constitute interference and compromise his investigation?

have been thrown out the window. If I told you that the United States would pull foreign nationals off the street of foreign capitals and fly them to unknown locations where they
would not only not be charged with a crime but tortured. You would have said get out of
my face with this, this country would never do that. We are looking at the picture from
outside and we have no clue at this point what is going on. All I am saying is that
I believe he was at the courthouse. What he was doing there, I don't know, but we may
find out hopefully in time. The White House has taken every privilege given to them
and stretched it to the max, at this point, I believe they try to micro manage everything.

several decades, I wasn't at all surprised about "extraordinary renditions." Only that information regarding them became public and the corporate media actually covered it.

I certainly see that as no reason to abandon critical thinking and facts when faced with a report that establishes nothing, promotes unconfirmed speculation as fact and ignores actual facts that render the author's assertions highly suspect at the least and pure baloney at the most.

If one ignores inconvenient facts that don't support a predisposition to belief, how does one determine what is good info from bad info or disinformation? By the way it feels, by one's inclination to believe or disbelieve, or by what can be factually documented/supported and is consistent with other known facts? Uncritical belief renders facts and critical thought superfluous and I don't think that's a good thing. For some it may be a Madsen report they choose to believe regardless of dubious unsupported claims that fly in the face of facts, for others it's a State of the Union address that cites bogus discredited intel as reasons to go to war.

Constitution. But his appointment is in keeping with all the other unqualified, incompetents that Bush has placed in high office with Congressional blessings.

the liklihood that Gonzalez would appear in Fitzgerald's grand jury room. And definitely do not believe he could ask questions.

Not only is he ex parte, but it's not inconceivable he has legal liability himself. He didn't turn over the 250 emails until Fitzgerald's knowledge of them were disclosed in his Libby filing response to a motion.

I filmed one myself at the Capitol Building and later asked one of the guards who told me reluctantly, as they are not supposed to say, that it was Cheney..

THAT could have been CHENEY just as easily and with this BIG EVIDENCE Smackdown of Cheney's writing on the Wilson article is appears that Cheney has some 'sPlainin' to do..

Madson posts just as much looney crap as "scoops"..

Flame away, quick! It's an OPINION and we can't let that go by :)

but I hope we hear something tomorrow, it has been a lifetime since 2000. We all want
our country back, and we all put in the legwork hoping to rebuild it.