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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:15 AM
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Rove Indictment: Anything at all from MSM?
I have checked a few places and found nothing. Just wondering why.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:19 AM
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1. MSM =Bush Protection Team
i think....
:shrug:
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 10:50 PM
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46. Right -- The same folks who reported on the WH Press Corps dinner
a few weeks ago but neglected to mention that Stephen Colbert performed that evening. (Let alone that it was quite the performance).

I guess they were checking their sources on that one.
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:19 AM
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2. K&R
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:27 AM
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3. Fitzgerald's filing on Friday
has kicked everything up a notch.

It's not just Rove. Now it's CHENEY, that Fitzgerald has solid evidence of wrong doing on.

CHENEY is going to make Rove look like a footnote.

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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:27 AM
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4. From the Truthout article that came out yesterday.....
Edited on Sun May-14-06 07:29 AM by Media_Lies_Daily
<http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051306W.shtml>

"Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald spent more than half a day Friday at the offices of Patton Boggs, the law firm representing Karl Rove.

During the course of that meeting, Fitzgerald served attorneys for former Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove with an indictment charging the embattled White House official with perjury and lying to investigators related to his role in the CIA leak case, and instructed one of the attorneys to tell Rove that he has 24 hours to get his affairs in order, high level sources with direct knowledge of the meeting said Saturday morning."

....snip...

"An announcement by Fitzgerald is expected to come this week, sources close to the case said. However, the day and time is unknown. Randall Samborn, a spokesman for the special prosecutor was unavailable for comment. In the past, Samborn said he could not comment on the case."


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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:30 AM
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6. Yes, and that is great.
Bust would still like other sources to run with the story soon!
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:38 AM
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8. You're not going to see any of the MSM report this....
...until they've been given permission from their keepers in the White House.

And as I tried to point out in my forst response, Fitz is not going to make an announcement until some time next week, date and time unknown at this point.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:08 AM
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12. why did those "keepers" let USA Today run the NSA story?
Sorry, but if there really had been an indictment handed down already, and there was as much talk about it going on in the WH as the truthout story suggests, someone in the msm would have picked up on it, I think. After all, if its true, the story is going to come out anyway, so what exactly would be the reason to sit on the rumors if they had any basis?

That's how I see it. I could be wrong. I guess we'll know in the next week.

onenote
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:45 AM
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15. No one is reporting it because it's bullshit
Fitz and his crew do not leak. We will not know anything until Fitz comes out with a press conference. If there was any truth to this so called "indictment" the media whores would be in a frenzy. This crap of Fitz meeting with Rove's attorney for 15 hours is outrageous. Where do all these stories come from,anyway? Geez.....
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:50 AM
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16. Nobody said Fitz or his crew leaked. n/t
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:53 AM
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17. Then where did this crap come from?
How many threads have been posted about stuff that happened or is going to happen and then NOTHING happens? I don't get excited about anything I read in any online article until I KNOW it's a fact....truthout or otherwise.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:55 AM
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20. It sounds like sources in the WH to me.
At this point all we can do is wait and see.
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:58 AM
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21. The waiting has been hard
and seems like an eternity. I wish Fitz would hurry up and GIT R DONE! :hi:
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:20 AM
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26. You Musta Missed The First Fitzmas
Lots of speculation around here in the weeks before the Libby indictment...and then when it wasn't as big or widespread as the expectations, this place turned into a morgue.

This has no bearing on Truthout, but if a right wing blog came out and said that Rove had been secretly cleared and this blogger or reporter had the story and no one else did and it couldn't be confirmed...now if you were the editor of a credible newspaper, could you go with that story?

Sometimes we need to take one step back and stop falling all over ourselves.

Peace...
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:25 AM
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28. Nope! Been here all along.
If I was that editor, I'd be looking for confirmation, too. :)
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:36 AM
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31. Will Pitt is Leopold's senior editor at Truthout, and he stated....
...yesterday that he carefully/completely fact-checked Leopold's article, just as he always does. IMHO, Will has always been very careful about checking articles that appear on the Truthout website.

I just don't get this constant pounding on Leopold, Pitt, and Truthout.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:48 AM
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35. See Post 33
I'm not pounding anyone here...but I've seen expectations raise high here one time too many. Maybe others are bashing Mr Leopold, Pitt and Truthout...I have no opinion on that at all...i'm pointing to the expectations game here this thing has ignited.
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 10:25 AM
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39. Well then,if Will Pitt says it then
by God it MUST BE TRUE. Khrist.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 10:33 AM
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43. Larry Johnson
seems to have heard the same thing as Truthout and Joe Wilson: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1183853
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:43 AM
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33. If Lawrence O'Donnell Speaks It Will Get Play
That's one person I've been waiting to hear from. He's the one who broke the original Rove connection...sticking himself out on a limb and he proved to be right. He appears to be very well connected and if he had something he surely would have popped up on TV or on the Huffington Post to say something.

Unfortunately this issue has become a flame and ego war here about the personality/credibility of Truthout. I have no and am not questioning either the blog or Mr. Leopold...but I do remember all the speculation that ran on blogs prior to Libby's indictment that turned out to be way off and this place turned very ugly for a couple days from those who felt they had been letdown by either Fitzgerald or the over-exuberant bloggers.

I'll turn the tables here and ask that if this were a secret story that said Rove was cleared and this report had come from someone on Powerline or Little Green Turdballs or some other right wing blog, do you think the corporate media would go with it? Sadly I believe they would...but that doesn't mean it's true...it just shows the dishonesty of the so-called "MSM".

I'm extremely hopeful Mr. Leopold is spot on and I'll gladly trumpet his praises should his scoop be like O'Donnell's. Until then, experience has taught me that a solid dose of cynicism to anything out here is a good thing.

Cheers...
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 10:31 AM
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42. I Agree With You... Basically, Until I See The Whites Of Their
eyes, I remain skeptical. This is what my first reaction was when Pitt posted, even though I most certainly respect Will Pitt.

From all that we have been through these past years, so many "almost" highs to the never ending lows, I no longer hold my breath for ANYTHING.

I keep trying to tell myself that America has been through horrible trying times before and was able to get back on course and eventually we will find our way again. I've become so cynical and outraged and feel hopeless and depressed. It does seem that things are so much worse than at any other time in the past, but perhaps that's only because we're living this situation in "real time" as opposed to reading past history. Only time will tell, but I fear we need all the help we can get and I don't know if we are up to the task.


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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 10:22 AM
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38. I have only one thing to say to your hateful post
:cry: Get over it already.BTW....here's another opinion. I have a mind of my own,dearie. I don't walk in lockstep with everything posted on this board. This is what's wrong with the FReeptards. They have to walk in lockstep with each other or they get kicked out of FR. Having your own opinions and the freedom to speak them is what this country is supposed to be all about. If you think my post is "crap" is outrageous, IMHO. IMHO, your posts on this topic are "bullshit". then by all means put me on your ignore list. I am really getting sick and tired of being attacked whenever I disagree with someone in here. Guess what? I really don't care what you think,but leave me the fuck alone,ok? Thank you. (Your user name speaks volumns about this subject.)
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:30 AM
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5. I suspect it's because they can't get anything to confirm it.
It'd be a huge story if it's true. I can't imagine it's being ignored.


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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:41 AM
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10. I can't imagine anyone from the MSM being willing to report this....
...until they get permission from their NeoCon keepers, or Fitz makes an announcement, whichever comes first.

And if the lapdog MSM can't get anyone to confirm the story, why would anyone be surprised by that?
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:11 AM
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14. "or Fitz makes an announcement..." isn't that the truer sense here...
not 'truthout.org', not MSM, not 'WH supported suppressors of truth', no nothing unless & until the indictment is actionable?

isn't that the way a case like this should proceed? isn't that the way you want it? cause that's the way i want it. i want this thing tacked down all around the edges. i do not want any of these cheney/rove bastards (lately, i'm almost feeling a little empathy for Scooter these days) to scurry off like the vermin they are.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:43 AM
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34. So, are you saying that if you have a story and your editor can....
...successfully fact-check it, that you shouldn't publish it because nobody else is willing to publish it?

Isn't that the primary core problem with the MSM...that they're afraid to publish anything without prior approval of the NeoCons for fear of losing their jobs? You do understand that the MSM is owned by major conservative corporations that donate heavily to GOP candidates, don't you?
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 10:16 AM
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37. oh really do tell, now you're being silly; i used to work for clear...
channel, and am able to confirm likely more than you are merely suspicious of
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:31 AM
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7. Hell I my even watch the Today Show tomorrow a.m. just to see
lil Katie do some jaw grinding over this one. Tomorrow would be a sweet time for an announcement but I won't hold my breath.

I believe Howard Dean is on The Daily Show tomorrow night.....bring back the scream!

I can wait.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:40 AM
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9. Besides Timmee speculating on indictment? Naw...
Still, as Timmee is an inner circle guy in this and he'd never bring such a nasty speculation if he didn't know....
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:02 AM
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11. Why?
Because there is no indictment.


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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:55 AM
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19. You got it!
It's a bullshit story to get everyone all excited....that's all it is.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:21 AM
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27. It'll be interesting to see what you have to say....
...sometime this coming week.
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 10:27 AM
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40. Dont' worry about what I will say
I won't be saying it to you,that's for damn sure.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:33 AM
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30. Agreed. I have to wait to hear it from Fitzgerald .
I believe nothing until I hear the man announce it.
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Darkhawk32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:08 AM
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13. Headline News had a long story about it just now. But no definitive word.
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pola Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:54 AM
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18. not even Raw Story-...get ready though
it's coming ...:kick:
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:03 AM
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23. That's sort of interesting isn't it?
But, time will tell, time will tell.

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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:59 AM
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22. What's The Hurry??
I'm more intrigued by the top CNN Radio report this morning about Chenney's handwritten notes next to Joe Wilson's article...that's far more damning and worthy of discussion than the Rove speculation...which has turned into yet another DU flame game.

I'll let Redhead...Christie Hardin sum things up...

http://www.firedoglake.com/

Just a quick note on the "is he or isn’t he" indictment reporting, and all the resulting speculation, I have heard nothing to independently confirm or deny the stories — so I’m hopeful (who doesn’t want Rove indicted? Well, other than the entire GOP hierarchy…), but it’s really impossible for me to comment on anything when I know nothing more than what everybody else has read. Sorry, I know that’s not very satisfying, but it’s always been my personal policy to try and independently verify things where I can before commenting on something this important and I’m coming up with nothing other than everyone’s interested to see what happens next week. As always, I’ve got champagne chilled and at the ready…just in case.


I'll wait for Mr. Fitzgerald to speak. I remember all the wild speculation here in the run-up to Libby's indictment...how he was going to be charged with over 20 counts and the list of indicted not only included Rove but several others. Didn't quite turn out that way.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:07 AM
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24. Dunno....but I think a few more dozen threads oughta help
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:26 AM
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29. Hey lemme out it's dark in here!
:hangover:
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:41 AM
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32. HuffPost has a mention....
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:50 AM
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36. Still the same source though...
:eyes:
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 10:47 AM
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44. It's on yahoo news opinion....
just an fyi

at least a step in the right direction
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 10:21 PM
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45. Thanks....
I'm sure MSM Monday morning will clear this all up for us :hi:
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 10:27 AM
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41. It's not truly public yet.
And you will get hand news if it's true, so I would wait. I wouldn't call it a coverup yet.
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 11:36 PM
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47. Little birdie tells me at least one national TV news bureau in DC...
... is trying hard to nail down more than 2 sources tonight.

Hmmm... more than 2? Well, after what Powerlie and their minions did to Dan Rather, better safe than sorry.

And if they do... well, wouldn't that be nice news to wake up to...
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