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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:32 AM
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Palast is right. We're NOT at war.
And we should all stop anyone in their tracks who keeps suggesting that 'we're at war so all bets are off', nonsense.

'We need to spy on the citizenry cause we're at war'.

'We have to raise gas prices cause we're at war'.

'We have to bla bla bla bla bla bla cause bla bla bla bla'.

We are NOT at war, that's an illusion. Don't let the blowhards get away with this mantra anymore.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:35 AM
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1. The only war we are at is Iraq. This war on terror is like the
war on christmas or drugs, etc. Terrorism IS NOT A WAR! Thank you to Palast for saying it out loud.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:38 AM
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3. Disagree
Iraq is not a war. Its an invasion and looting and establishment of a military outpost.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:56 AM
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7. Thank-You...Nailed It On The Head
The Scaiffe meat puppet is clueless...Palast has a look of a cheshire cat. Greg was the first voice in the wilderness with the stones to stand up and say what some of us here were thinking and then he went out and found the fact.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:24 AM
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11. Exactly. Precisely. WAR CRIME.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:06 AM
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14. We are NOT at war in Iraq. The US is a security team, at best.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:37 AM
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2. We have to run a huge deficit because... etc
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:39 AM
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4. the entire "i'm a war president" gambit is a rove strategy for re-elec...
tion = 'we the people' are not at war the bfee is...whether truthout is right or not, it will be good to see rove going somewhere soon
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:52 AM
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5. If this is a real war we have always been in one
Their has always been some group or person who wanted to take down some gov. in power some place at some time. Bush has just been smart to use it so well for what he wants and people are willing to go along with him. Heck for years and years we have had these week-end nuts running around with guns that are going to save or take over the country, you pick what they claim is right, and we did not call that war but it is hardly different. They blow up banks, birth control places, armed cars etc. but I guess if you do it and say your an Am. it is not the same. We should tell that to the families that had people die in one of these little games they play.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:52 AM
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6. really, their war of raging egotists
Screaming deafening thunderous lies,
fool and his lie-buddies shuffle off to war,
Hardening masculine torturous ties,
war in the mind, war on the floor.

oh they avoid the natural sublime,
happy time for love's sweet allure,
reloading bullets for another time,
improving the sights for another tour.

Art of war being death and the end,
of everything a mother holds dear,
why is it then that we send,
the kids off to kill with a cheer?
Foolish wars fought today without need,
Children with toys, playing with greed.

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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:01 AM
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8. It was never a war
It's an invasion, followed by a deadly and failing occupation.

Good for you. Grab that language away from those morons, and keep it correct.

Nice catch.
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Jigarotta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:55 AM
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17. I call it a home invasion. n/t
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:02 AM
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9. No, no, totally mistaken. We're at war.
Edited on Sun May-14-06 08:59 AM by Kagemusha
A war on political dissent, a war on the terrorizing of America by the threat of a Democratic Party takeover, a war on freedom because freedom is a threat to security. The war is not in Iraq. That was a misconception from the beginning...

More to the point, the foreign component of the "war on terror" is simply a means to an end: using war to ennoble man, to raise him to a level of greatness unachievable by peace. That is the real war. Victory means the casting away of the mental concept of peace, as some believe is right and proper, and embracing perpetual war against peace, in the name of peace.

It is this war, taking place on American soil, which supposedly justifies the taking of military measures at home without approval by Congress, because all executive leaders are empowered to defend the homeland against invasion, including against invasion by people already present, such as illegal immigrants, Arabs, and "leftist traitors".

So what's anyone going to do about it?
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:04 AM
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10. Right, the war is on US.
WE are at war with our own so called leaders.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 08:56 AM
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12. Press them about violations of the Geneva Convention and you'll see how
quickly we are no longer at war. We are at war when it's convenient for PR purposes. When it came down to releasing the POWs after the war was declared over by Bush, we're NOT at war and they are NOT POWs with rights.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:03 AM
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13. Silly n/t
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:28 AM
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15. Greg
Palast is a national treasure on two continents.

Hope I can stumble across this rebroadcast or find the vid on their website.

Watch out for small planes and staged suiciding, there, Greg!

-85% Jimmy
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Asgaya Dihi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:36 AM
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16. That's what I've been telling people for ages
As bad as what happened at the WTC was and as justified as the initial strike into Afghanistan was, most of what followed had no excuse. Problem is we seem to have lost the ability to weigh things, no perspective. We lose about as many people as a holidays traffic accidents would have accounted for and all the sudden we need to give up all of our civil liberties and start optional wars around the world. It's the excuse for anything.

What happened was certainly a tragedy, but what followed just made it worse. We managed WWII without this (with the exception of the Japanese camps), we managed to deal with the Soviets without giving up who we are, but we abandoned it all for this. I can't see the reason. My wife asked me before last election who I thought Osama would want to win, I told her straight out it was Bush. With someone else we might make peace with the world, with him we'll destroy ourselves. We seem well on our way to it.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:56 AM
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18. We are not at war because Congress never declared war.
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