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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:36 PM
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Here is the thud of the next shoe dropping - kudos to Bob Schieffer
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/14/washington/14nsa.html?hp&ex=1147665600&en=8d6b912ef955133b&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Cheney Pushed U.S. to Widen Eavesdropping

By SCOTT SHANE and ERIC LICHTBLAU
Published: May 14, 2006


A White House spokeswoman, Dana Perino, said Saturday, "N.S.A. has not intentionally listened in on domestic-to-domestic calls without a court order."


As Schieffer commented "Well if that statement doesn't have red flags all through it, I don't know what does."
Note the phraseology - "has not INTENTIONALLY LISTENED IN"

Intentionally - so I guess maybe accidentally or unintentionally
LISTEN IN !!!! - isn't that a little different than illegal number collecting?

Drip, drip drip. I think more is about to hit the fan.
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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:41 PM
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1. Yep, I watched the show and ........
Schieffer did a good job of not letting Hadley ramble on without answering the question. Hadley was like a repeat machine just spouting RW talking points. He never addressed the point of the questions.

And Schieffer did have a slight "you lying bastard!" attitude. I liked that. :evilgrin:
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:56 PM
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6. I suppose,.for Scheiffer, that was a good job.
However, I found myself yelling at the tv when he, like all these "pundits" so in love with the sound of their own voices, tried to speed ahead with his questions instead of engaging the non-answer answers and calling the lie monger on his bullshit and demanding facts instead of empty eloquence.

The current rise, however limited, of interviewers who are outside the mold and are interested in real meat instead of the thinly veiled lies is encouraging.

The mild change engendered mainly by Keith Olberman at msnbc is gratifying.
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European Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:42 PM
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2. That and "no ordinary Americans"--means they spied on enemies
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:48 PM
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3. Political enemies.
The NH phone jamming scandal comes to mind.

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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:51 PM
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4. Political enemies and allies alike!
Good morning!!!:pals:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:52 PM
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5. good morning, fooj!
:hi: :pals: :hug: :loveya:

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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:19 PM
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7. Another excellent point was made by Eleanor Clift on McLaughlin
One of the apologists talking points is that they keep saying "it's just a vast data base of numbers with no personal information tied to them." EC made the excellent point that NSA ALSO has a contract with ChoicePoint (now there's a name that comes up time and again) which is a data mining firm who can up with a very detailed, personal file in the blink of an eye if given a phone number. So, yes, they have all the technology they need to surveille and data mine the hell out of all Americans. I keep wondering how the political party affiliations of Americans got into those IRS files and to what use?

When they say "Trust us" it just makes me want to use the gesture that Scalia used. These leaks are coming out because there are loyal Americans in many of these branches of government who are see clearly that mechanisms are being put in place that facilitate either totalitarianism or a dictatorship and they don't want to see it happen.

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:28 PM
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8. Perhaps the other shoe is in the hands of the Investigation
Edited on Sun May-14-06 01:29 PM by 0007
Committee that Hayden will meet this week?

The N.S.A.'s position ultimately prevailed. But just how Gen. Michael V. Hayden, the director of the agency at the time, designed the program, persuaded wary N.S.A. officers to accept it and sold the White House on its limits is not yet clear.

As the program's overseer and chief salesman, General Hayden is certain to face questions about his role when he appears at a Senate hearing next week on his nomination as director of the Central Intelligence Agency. Criticism of the surveillance program, which some lawmakers say is illegal, flared again this week with the disclosure that the N.S.A. had collected the phone records of millions of Americans in an effort to track terrorism suspects.

By several accounts, including those of the two officials, General Hayden, a 61-year-old Air Force officer who left the agency last year to become principal deputy director of national intelligence, was the man in the middle as President Bush demanded that intelligence agencies act urgently to stop future attacks.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:00 PM
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9. Actually, I think Russell Tice is about to open an entire shoe store
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