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tgnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:13 PM
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What the Fuck is Wrong With the Beltway Democrats?
Edited on Sun May-14-06 01:44 PM by tgnyc
From today's New York Times comes an disturbing article by Adam Nagourney. It opens with this quasi-jokingly posed question:

Is it really in the best interest of the Democratic Party to win control of the House and Senate in November? Might the party's long-term fortunes actually be helped by falling short?


What follows are the musings of some cowardly and/or brainlocked Democrats, uncritically entertained by yet another MSM reporter following the now-classic no matter what, Democrats are wrong script. By the end, it becomes clear that the article is no joke. Or, more accurately, is a sick joke.

Nagourney goes on:

...From this perspective, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world politically to watch the Republicans struggle through the last two years of the Bush presidency. There's the prospect of continued conflict in Iraq, high gas prices, corruption investigations, Republican infighting and a gridlocked Congress. Democrats would have a better chance of winning the presidency in 2008, by this reasoning...


Yes, it would be the worse thing in the world politically for this outcome. It would signal that despite 5 years of Republican-orchestrated chaos, the American people still refuse to turn over the reins to te Democrats. That would be the worst political face-slapping any party could face, and would likely lead to a disasterous remaking of the party in a more rightward image.

And I'm trying to understand Nagourney's point about corruption investigations. Is he trying to imply that these would be a bad thing?

"The most politically advantageous thing for the Democrats is to pick up 11, 12 seats in the House and 3 or 4 seats in the Senate but let the Republicans continue to be responsible for government," said Tony Coelho, a former House Democratic whip. "We are heading into this period of tremendous deficit, plus all the scandals, plus all the programs that have been cut. This way, they get blamed for everything."


Whenever I hear a Democrat spout such spineless drivel it makes me want to vomit. "...heading into this period of trenmendous deficit"? Newsflash, Tony: WE HAVE BEEN IN THIS PERIOD OF TREMENDOUS DEFECIT FOR THE LAST 4 YEARS.

And "all the scandals" Tony seems to fear? Heads-up Tony, but the scandals BELONG TO THE REPUBLICANS. They will continue to belong to the Republicans, whoever runs Congress. The difference is that only with the Democrats in charge will the full scope of these scandals be revealed.

I'm willing to take the chance that the American people will not blame the Democrats over the subsequent two years for the hell that the GOP had unleashed during the preceding six. Only cowards like Coelho aren't.

But the worry among some Democrats is that a thin majority breeds not compromise but inaction, and that could turn off voters just as much as single-party rule has. Republicans, on the other hand, would get a welcome reprieve, said Martin Frost, a former House member from Texas who has led the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

"They don't have to worry about passing anything," Mr. Frost said, "and it gives them freedom to be critics. There's a certain liberating aspect of being in the minority in the short term, but I don't recommend it in the long term."


Yes, the liberation of being in the minority certainly felt good for the Democrats, didn't it? Who among us doesn't long to extend this "liberation?"

Another worry is whether some Democrats would use their power in what could be perceived as payback against Republicans....

"Revenge -- that's what we have to avoid," said Joe Andrews, a former chairman of the Democratic National Committee, adding that it's dangerous to talk "about what are you going to do to the guys you beat, as opposed to what are you going to do for the people..."

"As a practical matter would Democrats be able to restrain themselves?"


We're going to be hearing a lot of this bullshit over the next half-year. "Can the Democrats restrain themselves?"

Fuck restraint. The GOP demonstrated NO RESTRAINT as they barelled ahead with their cataclysmic agenda. For the Democrats to show restraint while trying to undo the damage the GOP has wrought to this nation's system of government would be like me showing restraint toward the mugger who I've been watching assault my mother for the last half-hour. In this case, talking about "what you are going to do to the guys you beat" is talking about "what you are going to do for the people." If we don't first prove that the Constitution, the American system of laws, and common sense still reign over the actions of our elected officials, then we have no reason to expect that anything else we want to do "for the people" will get accomplished -- or will even matter. The failure of establishment Democrats like Andrews to comprehend this is one of the most serious obstacles standing between us and a righted ship of state.

Nagourney:

"I don't buy the argument that we'd be better off if we almost got there and didn't win a majority in either house," Bill Clinton, the former president, said in an interview. "I think when you suit up you've got to try to win, and I hope we will win because we will get better public policy and it'll be better for America."


Amen, Big Dawg.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:18 PM
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1. They're out-thinking themselves
And also playing games with our nation's future. I think most of them have forgotten why they are democrats in the first place.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:20 PM
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2. Beltway blinders!
It means that once they get into DC, they have their access to information strictly controlled by the inside the beltway crowd. This applies to both parties equally, making both sets of incumbents out of touch with their constituents back home.

There are two ways to overcome this: limit the days Congress sits and force those old boys out of the corporate jets and away from the corporate foreign junkets and back into their home states for a couple of months a year, or convince the electorate that 12 years in office is more than sufficient and Senators need to be bounced after 2 terms and Reps after 6. It was never meant to be a career.

If you love what your government is doing, keep voting for incumbents, in other words. If you think they are out of touch and voting against your interests, VOTE THEM THE HELL OUT OF OFFICE.

We know they won't change a system that serves them so well. It's up to us.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:21 PM
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3. "Revenge - that's what we have to avoid."
Is there one recorded instance of a repuke having gone on record bending over this way? Why the hell don't these spineless wusses understand that it's precisely their refusal to go for the jugular that feeds the perception of the Dems as weak and ineffectual. Repukes do it at every opportunity, and where has it gotten them? Only control over all three branches of government.
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jerry611 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:38 PM
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5. Because Americans don't want revenge
They don't want to spend two years on investigations and impeachment while the country continues to burn. If Democrats gain power and do absolutely nothing to move America forward, the GOP will be brought back to life real quick and it will be ever further to the right.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:28 PM
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13. The repukes didn't care what the American people
Edited on Sun May-14-06 04:29 PM by LibDemAlways
wanted or didn't want when they impeached Clinton. They'll be drawing up articles of impeachment before the next Dem President's inaugural address is over. It's how they operate.

It's high time these thugs illegally occupying the WH were investigated and threatened with impeachment. Their crimes are just too damn nurmerous and serious for the Dems to look the other way, and it's beyond time for the Bush Crime Family to be brought to justice. If the freepers don't like it, too bad.
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guinivere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 05:02 PM
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14. Agreed. The place is such a mess now, it will be damn hard
to make a lot of progress.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:36 PM
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4. Not all Democrates are bad....its the only HOPE in Town...Do NOT DENIGRATE
or we lose again...
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:46 PM
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6. Nagourney is an ass.
He wrote an article the other day comparing bush*'s 29% to Kerry and Gore without mentioning the undecideds, which paints a completely different picture of the poll results.

Wonder how many Dem statements he had to read to cherry pick these gems?
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:22 PM
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11. sometimes I honestly don't think some DU'ers are very smart themselves
the lap up the Mediawhores' garbage so eagerly. It's like they secretly hate the Democratic Party and enjoy the Lies being spread by the Lying Liars.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 01:58 PM
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7. they are beltway first
slaves to their corporate owners second

Democrats third

Americans last
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:06 PM
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8. Shock!! Nagourney bashes Dems!
He does it all the time, no surprise here. And if those people were asked specifically about the benefits of being a minority party, then I can see how he got those quotes. They're right too, a Democratic majority does create its own set of problems and there's no point in pretending it doesn't.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:16 PM
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9. What good would it do to win the WH in 2008, if the Congress is
Edited on Sun May-14-06 02:17 PM by Marr
still controlled by the Republicans? They'd continue blocking all investigations into GOP crimes, and make up reasons to investigate the President instead. It sort of like... just happened a few years ago, you know.

No, I have a better idea. Take the Congress is 2006, and expose all of the GOP's criminal dealings. THAT would pave the way for winning the White House in 2008.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:19 PM
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10. Do You Really TRUST Adam Nagourney? If So, Please State Why
now since we know the GOP plans on stealing 06... you KNOW they need to spread bullshit stories in the media far and wide.

Oh, neither your or Nagourney didn't pull out any direct, named quotes from any Democrats, either.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 02:47 PM
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12. Know your enemies. Tony Coelho.


Tony Coelho

resigned as Vice President Al Gore's campaign chairman in June, citing health reasons. But the move was not a surprise given Gore's lackluster performance, both on the stump and in the polls. The vice president immediately plucked Commerce Secretary William Daley for the position. Daley is the son of legendary Chicago mayor Richard J. Daley, and the brother of the city's current mayor, Richard M. Daley.

-snip-
Coelho rose to prominence as chief political fundraiser for House Democrats in the 1980s. His advice to Pres Clinton to nationalize the Congressional elections was a spectacular failure. He symbolizes the party's decline into interest group appeasement and dependence on big business campaign cash.

"Let me begin," says White House aide David Dreyer, "by contesting the premises of your question." It's a windless evening in November, and Dreyer is in his West Wing office, listening to a new recording of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier and defending the role of Tony Coelho, for whom Dreyer once ...


You gotta pay for the rest. I read all I need. There's a reason why Nagourney chose this guy's expertise.:eyes:


http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1:16004991/The+undertaker%3a+Tony+Coelho+and+the+death+of+the+Democrats.+(former+Rep.+Tony+Coelho+and+the+1994+campaign)+(Cover+Story).html?refid=ip_hf
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