Christians scare the hell out of me

I'm not entirely sure yet what I should be more worried about, muslim fundies or christians, but I very much fear the latter. According to my admittedly limited knowledge of history it has been predominantly Christians who murder, torture and pillage others in the name of their supreme being or its alledged son.

The belief that a bearded guy created the world in 6 days some 5000 years ago, who is obviously so magnificantly powerful to have created all of nature in all of its splendor and vasteness, yet demands petty sacrifices and penances and total obedience of its subjects, threatens those who use their own mind with enternal confinement in a blazing camp - 1000 times worse than Auswitsch we are told -, is disgruntled his people are having too much fun and so decides to drown them all save one, which apparantly does not satisfy it enough so he creates a son whom he allows to be murdered in a most heinous fashion, and has a competitor bent on doing 'evil' but whom he apparantly cannot control himself, which is sort of odd considering he created everything by definition, and yet despite that pattern of unparalleled sadism and cruelty and violence we are told that the Christian God is a loving one, a forgiving one.
Well... to some it all up my opinion is that this set of beliefs is somewhat... odd....

You might argue what I presented here is a bit farcical or taken out of context, and you'd get no argument from me there. But where do you draw the line? The bible never says anywhere 'warning: from here on text is to be taken with a grain of salt'. Apparantly I'm not the only one who has this difficulty. Polls show a vast majority of Americans believe a supreme being exists who created it all, about 40 percent even believe in Satan and Hell and Damnation.

Thats rather cute, but what I find _really_ disturbing is that some 40% also belief that one cannot be moral WITHOUT religion. This implies that those who don't adhere to any religion cannot be moral, thus are anti social, thus are unwanted, thus aren't probably even humans and in cases where salvation fails are free to kill or do with whatever pleases. 40% believe that.

Generally speaking I respect someone else's private beliefs so long as they remain firmly locked up in that someone's head and doesn't interfere with my own life and starts telling me what to do and what to believe. Apparantly that is about to change. According to Sunsara Taylor in her article http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051406G.shtml BattleCry is a new orginasation that calls for True Christians to take up arms and eradicate all heritics and agnostics, or even worse, -GASP- atheists.
Given that 40% of the population already have funny notions about the status of 'other' people, I find this very troubling.


No, a few religious lunatics in the Middle East with another Supreme Being don't really give me much cause of concern when viewed in the light that 100,000 Americans have some serious pathological belief system and are willing to murder those who stand in the way, and that probably 50 million more wouldn't overly much object if they had their way.

Some who read this might take offence to my rambling, but this probably will be one of the last I can produce before fearing for my life.

But the Christians here usually get the post locked, or as in my case, have threatened me and my family if I ever cast doubt on their belief system, so I need to shut up now.

It's not getting locked because you're 'casting doubt' on their belief system, it's getting locked because you're being intentionally inflammatory about a large group of people.

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I said that jews scared me? Would that be okay?

it's just the the "Christians" are the ones that are scaring a lot of us in America today. Not all, just the most vocal.

And if there was a faction of Jews trying to enforce Old Testament Law here today? That WOULD scare the hell out of me.

You have the right to be afraid of anyone you want to be afraid of. Geeez, haven't you ever seen "The Twilight Zone?"

deleted, or moved to the Israel Palestine

but probably locked and deleted

I would not put it past the Fundies to want to place the blame for everything coming off the spool on those of us who "Don't LOVE Gawd", so count me amongst those who are afraid of the "Christians", too.

Oh, and I'm not on drugs, and tell me, are you really being paranoid if somebody *IS* out to get you?

As IF some Dominionist would post here saying "You're right, you Spawn of Satan, and I'm gonna hunt you down and make you my FIRST kill, Praise GAWD!". Of course not, they'd just deny that anything like that is going on in THEIR church, and why are you so ANGRY at Gawd?

often asked a lot of the same questions you've asked here.

As for people who believe you have to be a believer to be moral, how come all of us non-believers aren't serial killers, or some such. Where is it written that you have to believe in fairy tales to be a moral person.

I did a similar post about a month ago. I think the thing that pissed me off most about this "Creator" was telling Lot and his family not to look back when he/she/it was pulling a devastation job on Sodom and Gommorah. So what happens? Lot's wife takes one eensy peek and ZAP, she's a giant salt lick for goats.

Let's face it. If you can't break one tiny little rule, where's this "loving, forgiving" diety that so many believe in?

Well, I could go on, but you're not alone in your disbelief or skepticism. There are many more of us out here, including many who won't admit to it for fear of what others will think of them.

Peace

makes ya paranoid

:toast:

Is it really the Christians in this world that scare you, or is it the possibility that what they believe is true? Is it this you fear?

Oh PLEASE, get a grip.

Are you intentionally posting flame bait for the fun of playing with fire? Do you just like posting barely intelligible offensive knee jerk opinions? Something else?

White House and talks to him on a regular basis can't be all ...

Good grief. I was about to say couldn't be all bad, but what kind of nutcase would put Junior in charge of anything? Where was this "all-loving" deity when young George was shoving fire crackers up frogs asses and lighting them?

that they can pick and choose what they want from, and then boycott the store when it runs out of Junior Mints? For fuck sake.

Jeez, just 'cause the fundies think that doesn't mean it's true.

Why do you take the very worst members of a religion as examplars?

we won't be best friends -- what ever will i do?

form in the name of any god or creed frightens me, as does paranoia.

I might suggest you are dwelling too much on some very extreme people. It's kind of like listening to Osama bin Laden all day. It will mess with your mind.

This is not a new danger. Extremism has always existed.

All that stuff you mentioned, all comes from the Old Testament. Muslims and Jews both accept that too. So why do you single Christians out?

As for fearing for your life, what nonsense.

I have concluded three things are possible:

1. You are a very smart 8th grader who stole his mommies password to get on her PC.

2. If you are an adult, you are possibly the most mis-informed person concerning Christianity I have ever meet.

3. You are playing a sick game.

Take your pick.

I initially thought the OP was, perhaps, a fundamentalist out to divide us even more. Be wary.

Not gonna happen.

Perhaps he's listened to Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, James Dobson, or watched the head cases who picket health care clinics, (what you would call an abortion clinic), not to mention the God-loving nuts who have actually murdered doctors at such places.

worries me. Ever since the Christian Supremicists have been rising in power, since 1980 or so, they have stuck, largely, to electoral politics and rhetoric, rather than guns and bombs. But I feel this is but a temporary reprieve, for if they feel threatened enough, and remember, they have this culture of false persecution going for them already, but if they faced a real setback in obtaining absolute power, I could see them turning to violence to meet their ends. The only thing I can think of that would trigger this is the the Republican Party abandoning them entirely. Its either that, or they feel the Democratic party faces a super-majority, which is also technically possible. I don't really know, and unfortunately, no one can predict how bad it could get.

"John was remembered in elegant fashion by Sir Richard Baker in A Chronicle of the Kings of England: ". . .his works of piety were very many . . . as for his actions, he neither came to the crown by justice, nor held it with any honour, nor left it peace.""

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