Take the Smoke-Free Home pledge

http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/pledge/index.html

Congratulations on wanting to provide a smoke-free home and smoke-free transportation for your children. By taking the pledge, you:

* Choose not to smoke in your home and do not permit others to do so. Small children are especially vulnerable to the health effects of secondhand smoke.
* Choose to smoke outside, if you must smoke. Moving to another room or opening a window is not enough to protect your children.


http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/

Secondhand Smoke Can Make Children Suffer Serious Health Risks

Breathing secondhand smoke can be harmful to children's health including asthma, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS), bronchitis and pneumonia and ear infections. Children's exposure to secondhand smoke is responsible for: (1) increases in the number of asthma attacks and severity of symptoms in 200,000 to 1 million children with asthma; (2) between 150,000 and 300,000 lower respiratory tract infections (for children under 18 months of age); and, (3) respiratory tract infections resulting in 7,500 to 15,000 hospitalizations each year.

The developing lungs of young children are severely affected by exposure to secondhand smoke for several reasons including that children are still developing physically, have higher breathing rates than adults, and have little control over their indoor environments. Children receiving high doses of secondhand smoke, such as those with smoking mothers, run the greatest risk of damaging health effects.



More anti-smoking Nazis sticking their noses where they don't belong?

Sid

and it has been for quite some time

:wtf:

:banghead:

But we could waste a hell of a lot of time only dealing with only the BIGGEST problem at any given time.

What IS the biggest problem? Are we to suspend all other efforts to fix anything until THAT is taken care of?

Nice evasion, though.

My dog does not complain.

However, I have to make sure she has access to a lighter while I'm out.

when telling me what to do in my own home.

but I live every day with the health problems from growing up breathing constant cigarette smoke.

I don't like abridging personal liberty... but people shouldn't force their kids to breathe it.

If someone were physically abusing their children, people would want to step in, and rightly so...

To me, this is a very similar issue, I was abused by being forced to breathe something that not only smelled bad, but was verifiably unhealthy.

carpets, remove the drapes, open your windows daily (houses are too air tight now,) and cover your beds and pillows with an impermeable surface. Stop cleaning and washing with petro chemicals. It helps.

So 'they' say.

My grandmothers -one who raised 8 kids in a non-smoking house and the other, who smoked and raised 6 kids - lived 89 years. None of their 14 children (my surviving aunts are 90, 93+95) died from smoke-related problems. I smoke, am past 70 and still hold down a job.

To each his own.

I just have trouble with smoking being singled out when I know that the crap that's been plowed into our environment since WWII is much more likely to be the real cause of most illnesses attributed solely to tobacco. Of course, if that were acknowledged, there'd be no easy target and people might have to assume some real responsibility.

tinfoil-hat theories when I can take a whiff of smoke and cough. I know that's something that shouldn't be in my body. Our bodies are designed that way. People don't stay in burning buildings saying "Hey, leave me in here! This smoke is great!!!!" People die from inhaling things that burn, if they do so in large enough quantities.

Just because your body is more resillient than others is not a reason to subject children to it.

I refer you to:

"My parents spanked me, and I turned out just fine!!!!"

Not everyone who was exposed to asbestos or chlordane developed cancer. That doesn't mean that it wasn't bad. Not everyone who drives recklessly will get killed in their automobile. That doesn't mean it's safe.

WTF do you mean?

Never mind. I see you describe your position as 'moral'.

by 'moral' I only mean my own personal values. It has nothing to do with religion.

And 'tinfoil hat' was a bit of a misguided phrase... I read your post in the wrong mindset, and thought 'fringe theories'... I apologize.

My position is guided by my own values. There's no shame in that... everyone has values and morals, and they're all different. I ask you not to read my word 'morality' and think 'religious right', but think of the general definition of moral (rule or habit of conduct).

See:

moral
adj 1: relating to principles of right and wrong; i.e. to morals or
ethics; "moral philosophy"
2: concerned with principles of right and wrong or conforming
to standards of behavior and character based on those
principles; "moral sense"; "a moral scrutiny"; "a moral
lesson"; "a moral quandary"; "moral convictions"; "a moral
life"
3: adhering to ethical and moral principles; "it seems ethical
and right"; "followed the only honorable course of
action"; "had the moral courage to stand alone" honorable, honourable]
4: arising from the sense of right and wrong; "a moral
obligation"
5: psychological rather than physical or tangible in effect; "a
moral victory"; "moral support"
6: based on strong likelihood or firm conviction rather than
actual evidence; "a moral certainty"
n : the significance of a story or event; "the moral of the
story is to love thy neighbor"

Note: 5 & 6.

I'm closing shop now -have a nice evening.

Whether you hear it or not is up to you. I'm telling you how I used the word. If you want to use other definitions that I didn't have in mind, fine.

Second hand chew.

:spank:

get to the Little Guy.

Redstone

I smoke! Get over it! If you don't want to come into my houe, that fine with me! Now get off my case!!!!!

Secondhand smoke has been clearly implicated in certain cancers in housecats. Specifically, renal and intestinal lymphoma (you will of course recall that lymphoma killed Jackie Kennedy Onassis, a lifelong but secretive chainsmoker).

I lost a feline patient a year or so ago to renal lymphoma. He was only 6 years old, and otherwise in excellent health. Unfortunately, both his owners are heavy smokers. They probably are personally responsible for this horrible, ugly, unnecessary death. At least they know the risk now. They haven't stopped smoking, but only do so outdoors now, and have a HEPA air filter in their home. If they don't care about their own health, at least they care about their one remaining cat.

has NO health problems (other than teeth that are falling out, which I doubt smoke caused).

one is 18, one is 16 and the third is 13 years old. The only problems any of them have is that 2 of the dogs are blind. One is blind from birth, and the other through heridity.

It sure doesn't sound like my smoking is a problem now, does it?

:-)

I'm down to seven right now. I remember the days of 17, though.

Congratulations on wanting to provide a smoke-free home and smoke-free transportation for your children.

If you have no children, they weren't speaking to you. Smoke away.

"Anti-smoking Nazis"?????? Tell that one to the asthmatic kids who don't have a choice whether to BREATHE or not.

AFAIAC, your "right" to smoke ends where my or somebody else's body begins.

I was called an anti-smoking nazi last week for posting in support of the Arkasas law banning smoking in a motor vehicle carrying a child in a car seat.

I agree with you 100%

Sid

car also and intending to keep it that way! :thumbsup:

They're not forcing anything on anyone. They're asking.

I think the Nazis had other methods.

there are times, as liberals, when our protection of personal liberty, and our protection of individual rights will intersect.

This is one of those issues. You have to let your own personal morality guide you.

If you really, deep down, feel that it's 100% percent completely harmless to smoke around your kids, then go ahead and do it. Maybe it won't bother your children, as it has some.

As for me and my house, no one will smoke in here, or in my vehicles. That's my own personal morality (preference really). We all have to fight our own personal crusades.

I do go to establishments where smoking is allowed, but I do not complain. If I don't want to breathe it, there are plenty of places that do not allow smoking. That doesn't mean that I'm not a bit excited if a place decides to go smoke free. Once again, our own personal crusades.

I protect your right to smoke. I also will protect mine and my childrens' right to breathe clean air.

On some issues we will not agree. I urge both sides to check your motivation.. is it true liberalism, or is it selfishness? I think both sides might find a bit of both.

I don't doube smoking bothers some people, and it always has. I think it just happens to be the new issue some groups are jumping on.

There are a lot of things in our environment and lifestyle today that are harmfull, but smoking just happens to have hit the top of the list.

If I could only work on one issue the rest of my life, it certainly wouldn't be smoking.

except when I light one up.....which is pretty frequently.

and one smoke filled apartment.

I'm perfectly capable of deciding what goes on in my home.

me well, they would rant in the same manner as many on this board. they would come to my home, and i made sure there was not a smell of smoke, i would go outside or not smoke....... oh the rants. but now these good friends that told me how evil and bad and wrong and how much damage i do to the world....... come over all the time and for whatever reason.........poof, smoke no longer bothers them or effects them or anything else

i became the focus, not their anti smoking battle. and they chose to come to me, in all my mess.

it is a crock

:toast:

Sid

:toast:

Simple. I call it hospitality. I also offer their preferred beverages even though I don't drink.

People are welcome in my home to eat what I don't eat, drink what I don't drink, wear what I don't wear, smoke what I don't smoke (just don't bogart that joint, bro), and worship in ways I don't worship. They are not welcome to tell me I can't. People who try to tell me I can't eat what I eat, drink what I drink, smoke what I smoke, wear what I wear, or worship how I worship can leave my home, my neighborhood, my country, and the whole fucking planet. Fuck 'em.

If their kids are so fragile and defenseless against the hazards of traffic, dogs, weather, fast food, sugar beverages, alcohol, and tobacco, then leave 'em home in their plastic bubbles with their Disney videos and SimCity games. Lord knows they're not prepared to deal with a world with others in it.

speaking people at the baseball game. just exploded out of me. i didnt want to. but i have just had it with all the many many issues that we decide what another is suppose to do, even though it may not effect our lives squat.

the cell phone issue, more people yelled about people using cell phones. it irritated them. that is their problem. they allow it to irritate them. i have never been irritated by someone on a cell phone. what do i care. and i only listen, when i want to listen. i am in control. speaking spanish irritated this woman. she allows it to irritate her. i have never been irritated by accents, different voice, or language. never. no reason for it to except she wants to be irritated. smoking is the biggest issue that people want to be irritated

a person can not be around, are not having smoke blown in face, a person is just "SEEN" smoking, and that irritates the anti smoker.

well fuck all this irritating that we are all being, about every damn thing we do in this world. people are irritating me.

thank you tahitinut for your post. from my heart, thank you for being kind and reasonable and still nice to the non perfect. and i would never smoke in your home, but thank you for your acceptance and support of your fellowman. woman in this case

then you might have some say so as to what I can or can not do legally in my own home.

Morality, schmality! That's pure-tee BS.

Unfortunately, my smoker gives off a bit and gets in the house....but at least its mesquite...