Does anyone Think Kerry Has Connected the NSA and His Campaign Dots?

Surely he has to be aware he was spyed on, wiretapped, data mined,reamed, steamed and dry cleaned by bushco**. Along with every other congress critter. How do they feel about having no privacy? I can not believe I am not hearing a LOT more outrage from Democrats and repukes alike! Not that I could with the M$M on my TV. :(

Ohio was won by Bush fair and square. This is America! Things don't happen like that here.

Not here.

:toast:

I read somewhere there is a 3.4 million difference in votes between the offical tallies and
the bureau of census tallies, 3.4 = a landslide in 2004 for me, we have documented fraud
and corruption on a grand scale and they would not even all the most tainted voting to be
redone - i.e. Ohio and Florida.

:sarcasm:

the tallies of the FEC versus those by the Bureau of the Census, there is a 3.4 million
vote difference, they said the results were so bad that some states refused to post
them; but that didn't keep them from validating you know who as the winner. Didn't
Blackwell announce GWB as the winner before the final tally because he knew that he
had won.

PS My heart aches for you folks in Ohio!

join us. HB 3 is going to be seriously disenfranchising low income voters, the elderly and college students and causing bottlenecks (read: more long lines) and yet while the election reform community has called for voter ids, we have heard little from the ODP. You would think they would want to protect their voting base. I don't get it.

it was once explained to me as payoffs at the state level to election officials from the vendors. Which I have seen in my state. I can't explain the apathy in congress. It is mind boggling.

their collusion, this will never sit with the American people, justice will come, they may
be pulled out of nursing homes in twenty years but justice will come.

I will be long gone with my family before I hold my breath and wait for that to happen.

Pen and Paper are the ONLY Ballots!

Ex-election official’s ties raise questions
Sunday, May 14, 2006
Robert Ruth and Robert Vitale
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
At the same time the deputy director of the Franklin County Board of Elections was winding down his career, he was negotiating to become a partner of businessmen seeking a $785,000 contract from the board.

Conflict-of-interest questions surrounding Michael R. Hackett Jr.’s relationship with owners of SST Systems, a New Albany company that supplies storage carts for voting machines, concerned board members for much of last year.

Those worries appeared to be resolved on Nov. 23, when elections board Director Matthew Damschroder, a co-worker and close friend of Hackett’s, told the board, "We’ve consulted with the county prosecutor and there are no conflicts of interest." The board then approved the SST contract.

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http://www.columbusdispatch.com/?story=dispatch/2006/05/14/20060514-A1-04.html

it's just a trough for corruption, only neocons would twist the dream of an honest election
into a glut for the greedy and fixed results for their side

the continued activities of Kenneth Blackwell are alarming, the only hope that i can see
is the beginning of responsible actions by our justice department.

he said to look for stolen elections in 2006 and 2008 as well. We are fucked. :(

the money which was the lubricant for this fiasco has dried up.

won't cost them much.

there has begun to be a stench associated with election fixing. We know about several of
those data corporations and their ties to the GOP, they are going to try to pull off the obvious or find new operatives, that is going to cost. If they get caught this time, they
could either be indicted and lose their office or there could be jail time. The cost is
high, it is one thing to pull off the con with a gullible mark, it's quite another to
fool a suspicious and angry mob.

No fun robbing an empty one. Also they can blame everything on the Dems and regroup. Build their power base back up. Then come back again and do it right this time, they got sloppy in their greed. Next time will be smoother and more subtle.

Can you source that?

CRANKS AND KOOKS: KERRY WON IN '04 ... HEAR ONE OF THEM--LARRY DAVID--TELL YOU THE STONE-COLD EVIDENCE THAT, YEP, GEORGE BUSH STOLE IT IN 2004. AGAIN.
Armed Madhouse, the new book by Greg Palast

Why doesn't your government tell you this? Hey, they do. It's right there in black-and-white on a U.S. Census Bureau announcement released seven months after the election -- in a footnote to the report on voter turn -- out. The Census tabulation of voters voting "differs," from ballots tallied by the Clerk of the House of Representatives for the 2004 presidential race by 3.4 million votes.

This is the hidden presidential count which, excepting the Census' whispered footnote, has not been reported.

Unfortunately, that's not all. In addition to the 3 million ballots uncounted due to technical "glitches," millions more were lost because the voters were prevented from casting their ballots in the first place. This group of un-votes includes voters illegally denied registration or wrongly purged from the registries.

http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-auth.cgi?file=/8/27670.html

Not ALL states would have needed 110K, because in "safe states" the pre-election faked polls wopuld have allowed for MORE to be recorded..(who's gonna recount Texas?) , and whammo---- he's re-selected:puke:

or other troubles. That's why they say 'Oh no, we would NEVER impeach'.

There is another, legal and long-term way. That is the effort currently underway in many of the states to limit registration itself with challenges, ID requests and what amounts to intimidation efforts.

The machine problem will some day be legally solved and we will get both standards and accountability. That effort is well on it's way. However, there may be millions of potential Democratic voters who are legally disenfranchised way before election day. These are voters who will have to get ID cards, pass biased registration efforts and so forth. This is onerous to the poor and to many minority groups who won't be able to go through the extra time and effort to have a perfect registration.

There are many more ways to steal elections than just the tactics we saw in Ohio and other states. If the Republicans continue doing their campaign to restrict registrations, there won't be any need for election day thefts. The thefts will have occurred long before election day and it will all be perfectly legal and above board.

for the Latinos, they will try anything slick to throw the elections but I think their day
is really done, people are tired of the rw pundits, they are the noise machine, w/o the
noise, the machine is much weaker.

at all among 'our people.' This means poor, urban, and minority populations. These are the largest voting blocks for Democrats. These are 'our people.' They hold down 2 or 3 jobs, have kids in public school, live in older housing and so forth. These are the people being targeted with, at best, nuisance registration requirements that many don't have the time to do.

It is, of course, deliberate.

we are more reliant on a global economy every day, Bush has pissed off the world, surely
even the fat cats will realize where we will be if the world boycotts us.

Why should he be outraged?

He is troubled by Hyden's nomination and feels the administration has gone to far with this wiretapping issue.He has said it is being used illegally and he has called for Bush to work with congress to bring the program under compliance.

In May of last year, in a hearing of the Senate Commerce Comm on Identity Theft, the heads of ChoicePoint & LexiNexis were called before the Committee to talk about Identity Theft. The hearing proceeded along fairly narrow lines until Sen. Kerry asked the head of LexisNexis if all the vast amount of info that his company collects could be sold to political PACs for purely political purposes. The Execs hemmed and hawed and said, well, it's not illegal, but we would never, never....

Yeah, I'd say he put two and two together over a year ago.

issue of obtaining data on American's for PACs before. It shocked me back then, now, I am angry that it has been going on for so long.

he has brought up the issue of data mining and this administration before. Senator Kerry is angry about this. He spoke out angrily just the other day in a speech he made at American University.

Russ Feingold's censure amendment.... He may not be the candidate I want, but I have to admit he doing a good job...