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ChoralScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:40 PM
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This e-mail made me want to vomit.
Pure jingoistic bullshit.
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Will we still be the Country of choice and still be America if we continue to make the changes forced on us by the people from other countries that came to live in America because it is the Country of Choice?

Think about it. All we have to say is, when will they do something about MY RIGHTS?

I celebrate Christmas but because it isn't celebrated by everyone we can no longer say Merry Christmas. Now it has to be Season's Greetings.
It's not Christmas vacation, it's Winter Break. Isn't it amazing how this winter break ALWAYS occurs over the Christmas holiday?
We've gone so far the other way, bent over backwards to not offend anyone, that I am now being offended. But it seems that no one has a problem with that. This says it all.

IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans. However... the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct! " crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others.

I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our population is almost entirely made up of descendants of immigrants. However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.

This idea of America being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans we have our own culture, our
own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.


We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!

"In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan.. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation. ...and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it
on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home because God is part of our culture.

If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so!

But once you are done complaining... whining... and griping... about our flag... our pledge... our national motto... or our way of life... I highly encourage you to
take advantage of one other Great American Freedom...

THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.

It is Time for America to Speak up
If you agree, pass this along; if you don't agree, delete it - You are in the WRONG Country!

Think about this: If you don't want to forward this for fear of offending someone-----YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM!
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All I can offer is a big FUQ to the author of this e-mail. We come to this country 300 years ago with fucking SLAVES, and then we kill off the INDIGINEOUS CULTURE... and now we have the right to keep people out?!?
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:42 PM
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1. The person who wrote that should be slapped
HARD!
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:47 PM
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2. Funny, I don't recall
the American Indians giving out green cards. The author is ignorant of history. For example, until WWI, there were many areas in the country, including my hometown, where you had to know German to get around the neighborhood.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:53 PM
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4. And history has shown
with each wave of immigrants, the first generation often has difficulty with English. The second generation, wanted to succeed in the new country, learned English, speaking the family language only at home. By the third generation, family members knew only a smattering of the family language, or took it in school to learn it. These people are getting their panties in a wad over nothing.

But then in the 1840s and 1850s, their ancestors were probably the ones raling against the Germans and the Irish coming over-after all, if we let them keep coming unchecked, we'd become a >gasp< Catholic country!!!!
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:49 PM
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3. My answer would be
Isn't it interesting that the song "Happy Holidays" was around in the 1940s. Guess that means we've had that "war on Christmas" for quite a long while now.

Oh, the idea of America being a multicultural society has been around since at least the American Revolution. Or do you think the Pennsylvania Dutch (Old Order Amish) should stop speaking German and driving buggies and such? And of course we must get rid of St. Patrick's Day and Mardi Gras, as these are remnants of "other cultures". For that matter, why not tear down every Chinese, Vietnamese, Indian, Middle Eastern, and Hispanic restaurant in your town and insist that we only serve hamburgers and apple pie?

You might be shocked to learn that prior to the Civil War in one state alone (Illinois) there were several newspapers printed in German, and with later immigration, Polish? This is the state I'm most familiar with, but I'm sure if you checked out other states you'd find Yiddish newspapers (the Yiddish theater was big in NYC for decades), Chinese newspapers, and the like. I don't think any of these papers caused the nation to collapse (Abraham Lincoln obviously didn't think so; he was a silent partner in the Nordamerika Zeitung).

But don't worry-many of your arguments have deep historical roots in the propaganda spewed out by the antebellum American Party-better remembered as the Know Nothings. I think that could be an apt description of this email.



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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:21 PM
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10. Regarding the "war on Christmas,"
our Christmas traditions are based on Pagan traditions, namely the Christmas Tree.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:44 PM
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14. Don't forget the mistletoe
which is sacred to the Druids, and the Yule log-Yule was an ancient Nordic holiday.
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:56 PM
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5. English?
Why the hell does the poster insist on speaking English, for Chrissakes? English is the language of...well...English people! It's a foreign language, spoken by those guys on that little island off the coast of Europe. What the sweet crispy Christ do we wanna be speaking their pansy language for?

We're Americans and we speak American! American is the language of Jesus!

English my ass! The author of the email is some kinda commie pinko fruit.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:59 PM
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6. What I love is how this piece defends the First Amendment right
to express your opinion...and in the same breath claims that if your opinion is considered by the author to be "complaining," "whining" or "griping" about anything, you should leave the country!

You need to send whichever idiot sent this to you a reminder that chain letters are illegal, too.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:05 PM
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8. The thing with RWers who feel "oppressed"
Apparently, RWers think the 1st Amendment guarantees that they can say whatever they want without social consequences. That's BS; the Constitution only guarantees that they can spout their idiotic, mouth-breathing inanities without legal consequences (and thank God they can). But nowadays, anybody who disagrees with a conservative is being a "politically correct attack dog" who is somehow "limiting their 1st Amendment rights" by disagreeing with them.

Screw'em. The founding fathers and mothers were made of sterner stuff than these jackholes. If they bristle that much at a little disagreement or counterattack, I think they aren't worthy of the legacies of Paul Revere or Sam Adams -- two people who had to face a lot worse penalties for their words than just being called intolerant.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:02 PM
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7. Why should they care? They support people who make us adapt
to offshoring.

It works both ways.
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:16 PM
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9. Bill "The Butcher" Cutting
from "Gangs of New York" sent you the e-mail.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:22 PM
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11. Since when has saying Merry Christmas been outlawed?
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:36 PM
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12. That must have come from a FReeptard
That's exactly the way they think. :puke:
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 07:41 PM
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13. Ah.. I thought I recognized some of this. Here's something that may help
if you want to refute all or part of it. I thought it was so good I saved it as a file for if anyone I know is crazy enough to send it to me. :D

Back on Nov 26, 2006 DUer HamstersFromHell posted this excellent debunking of the "Christian Nation" nonsense (Here):
> "In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some
>Christian, right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men
>and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly
>documented.

The United States is not, in fact, based upon Christianity.

For those who would take the paragraph quoted above and believe it to be correct, here is what our founding fathers wrote about Bible-based Christianity:


Thomas Jefferson:

"I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth."

"Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man. ...Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus."

"The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ."

Jefferson's word for the Bible?

"Dunghill."


Thomas Paine:

"I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book (the Bible)."

"Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to 'God' to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not dare so dishonor my Creator's name by (attaching) it to this filthy book (the Bible)."

"It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible."

"Accustom a people to believe that priests and clergy can forgive sins...and you will have sins in abundance."

"The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in pretended imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty."


James Madison:

"What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy."

"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."

Madison objected to state-supported chaplains in Congress and to the exemption of churches from taxation. He wrote: "Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together."


Benjamin Franklin:

"If we look back into history for the character of the present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practiced it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England blamed persecution in the Romish church, but practiced it upon the Puritans. These found it wrong in the Bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here and in New England."


John Adams:

"Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?"

"The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity."

Adams (As President of the United States) signed the Treaty of Tripoli. Article 11 of the treaty states:

"The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."

The treaty was ratified by the full attendance of the Senate by unanimous vote and without even any debate.

The treaty, upon ratification and signing by The President, was published in it's entirety in two newspapers in Philadelphia and one in New York, with not one citizen writing to express opposition to the statement(s) contained in the treaty. (See the research in the Library of Congress of Ed Buckner of the Atlanta Freethought Society.)

From his notes:

"From our perspective these men (the President and members of the Senate) may be heroes, but in truth the vote they cast was ordinary, routine, normal. It was, in other words, quite well accepted, only a few years after first the Constitution and then the First Amendment were ratified, that "the Government of the United States of America was not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." After a bloody and costly civil war and the passage of the Fourteenth Amendment determined that citizens of the United States cannot have their rights abridged by state or local governments either, religious liberty for all was established. Governmental neutrality in matters of religion remains the enduring basis for that liberty."


These founding fathers were a reflection of the American population. Having escaped from the state-established religions of Europe, only 7% of the people in the 13 colonies belonged to a church when the Declaration of Independence was signed.

The Founding Fathers, although they supported the free exercise of any religion, understood the dangers of religion. Most of them believed in deism and attended Freemasonry lodges. According to John J. Robinson, "Freemasonry had been a powerful force for religious freedom." Freemasons took seriously the principle that men should worship according to their own conscious. Masonry welcomed anyone from any religion or non-religion, as long as they believed in a Supreme Being. Washington, Franklin, Hancock, Hamilton, Lafayette, and many others accepted Freemasonry.


Among those who confuse Christianity with the founding of America, the rise of conservative Baptists is one of the more interesting developments. The Baptists believed God's authority came from the people, not the priesthood, and they had been persecuted for this belief. It was they - the Baptists - who were instrumental in securing the separation of church and state. They knew you can not have a "one-way wall" that lets religion into government but that does not let it out. They knew no religion is capable of handling political power without becoming corrupted by it.

And, perhaps, they knew it was Christ himself who first proposed the separation of church and state: "Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto the Lord that which is the Lord's."

Unfortunately, later developments in our government have clouded early history. The original Pledge of Allegiance, authored by Francis Bellamy in 1892 did not contain the words "under God." Not until June 1954 did those words appear in the Allegiance. The United States currency never had "In God We Trust" printed on money until after the Civil War. Many Christians who visit historical monuments and see the word "God" inscribed in stone, automatically impart their own personal God of Christianity, without understanding the Framer's Deist context.


Doubt the false claims that some would present to you as fact. If any thinking human would do 15 minutes of easy research, such sheer idiocy would die what it deserves...a quick and silent death. Pass this along to those intelligent enough to know the difference in history and those who would attempt to re-write it to support their own religious agenda.


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ChoralScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 10:13 PM
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15. That Paine quote is awesome
"The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in pretended imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty."
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