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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 03:06 PM
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Christian activist: America tried to banish God then prayed for miners
...At the onset of the mining disaster, the mining official had asked the public to pray, and President Bush stated that people nationwide were indeed interceding for the trapped workers. Bush himself invoked God's blessing on "those who are trapped below the Earth" and "those who are concerned" about them, and he praised the compassion West Virginians have shown the miners' families. Conservative Christian leader Rob Schenck of the National Clergy Council said yesterday that, although millions of prayers were being offered across the nation, he was struck by the irony of the situation, which he feels demonstrates a sad truth about America. "We often turn to God only when we feel like nothing else can be done," Schenck notes. "And, in the Bible, God rebuked nations who only turned to Him in their most extreme moments of need." But sadly, the Christian activist observes, "That has been our tradition in the United States. Whenever we find ourselves in a situation where we get to the end of our own resources, we turn to God." Schenck says it is ironic that a culture that tries to banish God from its existence seeks His intervention under circumstances like the tragedy that unfolded in West Virginia this week.

http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/1/42006h.asp
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 03:08 PM
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1. No one is banishing God, assholes n/t
n/t
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 03:27 PM
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10. He needs to read his Constitution
As long as there is FREEDOM OF (and from) RELIGION there will be no banishing God. :eyes: It's Unconstitutional. People just don't want it forced down their throats.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 03:12 PM
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2. So God killed those miners to get back at people who prayed
to him only when things got tough. Hmm, sounds like pretty hateful God to me. Glad he's not my God.

I don't know where I heard this but it describes the wacko religious right:
"I use to pray to God to give me money, then I realized God didn't work that way. So, now I steal the money and pray for forgiveness."
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 03:12 PM
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3. yeah. And in the bible
god fucked up lots and lots of innocents as collateral damage.

"rebuked" what the fuck does that mean? Is that code for murdered every man, woman, child and goat? Allowed to be carried off into slavery?

I hate these grandstanding personal-line-to-god fuckers. How is this guy any different from Robertson? You godless perverts, god gonna fuck you up if you only turn to him in need.

echhhh I just don't understand this kind of thinking.
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flakey_foont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 03:22 PM
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9. Noah's Ark and the flood story
God sure killed an awful lot of babies, puppies and kittens getting that done...........
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 03:13 PM
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4. So, God killed the miners to punish us?
Would that be the act of a just and benevolent God?

Why not kill us 'heathens' instead?

Or better yet, smite somebody who deserves it for once, like Rob Schenck.

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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 03:13 PM
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5. Since when did our "culture" try to banish God from existence?
Edited on Thu Jan-12-06 03:14 PM by Zen Democrat
That's just hilarious. It blows me away that this type person seems to think prayer only works when organized in groups. These people are mad because they can't have organized prayer in school, and organized prayer at high school football games. There is organized prayer in Congress, organized prayer at inaugurations, organized prayer at political conventions, et al.

Didn't these people read Matthew 6: 5-8?

5 When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, who love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on street corners so that others may see them. Amen, I say to you, they have received their reward.

6 But when you pray, go to your inner room, close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will repay you.

7 In praying, do not babble like the pagans, who think that they will be heard because of their many words.

8 Do not be like them. Your Father knows what you need before you ask him.


Inasmuch as these are words of Jesus ... aren't these zealots really practicing paganism?
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 03:17 PM
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6. Maybe that was why God engaged
in the vindictive little exercise of letting the worried family members believe their relatives were alive and well so they would get their hopes up before finally dropping the hammer on them with the news their loved ones had perished - payback for the USA's dissing of divinity.

God can be a mean old son of a gun when he wants. If Job were still around, he could tell you a few tales.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 03:37 PM
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14. I also like to think of the god of the Book of Job as a mean ol'south...
Georgia redneck (a kind of Harry Crews character) torturing his dog as part of a pissing contest with his neighbor.
"See, I told ya', he'll still come up and lick mah hand!"

For some reason, the faithful are very outraged when I run this routine by them. But it is a VERY apt analogy.
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 03:20 PM
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This is bush's "faith-based" initiative.
Rather than fixing the problem or hiring qualified people to fix the fucking problem, bush wants us to pray for God's intervention.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 03:20 PM
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7. Schenck
Edited on Thu Jan-12-06 03:22 PM by Bill McBlueState
This is the same guy who crept into the Capitol Building and did a magic spell in the confirmation room before the Alito hearings.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 03:21 PM
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8. Indeed he is.
Hocus pocus, dominocus.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 03:38 PM
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15. Redneck Voodoo at its finest
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 03:36 PM
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13. throughout written history
Edited on Thu Jan-12-06 03:37 PM by sui generis
sycophantic priests and high priests of every faith have tried to align themselves with monarchical power, and when they couldn't have, then warred against it.

Nothing has changed in well over 5,000 years, just the names of the "worshipped".

Color me cynical.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 04:06 PM
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19. "Pharoahs spin the message, round and round the truth."
From CCR's "Wrote a Song for Everyone"

Saw the people standin' thousand years in chains.
Somebody said it's diff'rent now, look, it's just the same.
Pharoahs spin the message, round and round the truth.
They could have saved a million people, How can I tell you?
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 03:31 PM
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11. Actually, I saw many of the miners' families demonstrate a pretty...
shaky faith in their god. First praising the heavens, then shaking their fists in indignation.
They have all my sympathy, but I did find it interesting.
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 03:31 PM
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12. all we have left are prayers
Bush weakened and defunded mine safety, and asks us to 'pray' for dead miners.

Bush cut funding for the levees in New Orleans, played the guitar and ate cake while the city was drowning, appointed a crony to head FEMA and when the inevitable happened - people died and thousands more were abandoned and forgotten by our government - Bush tells us to 'pray'.

Bush sends our sons and daughters to his personal war and when they're slaughtered he asks us to 'pray'.

How many more of his 'prayers' can we afford? Every time he asks us to pray it's because he's killed some of us.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 03:45 PM
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16. Schenk, Meuller, Dobson, Phelps, Robertson, etc...doesn't matter
They're all narcissistic fucks who don't give two shits about Christianity and even less about what Jesus really taught.

They're in it as long as "the Glory and the Power" are theirs.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 03:51 PM
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17. So how does an omnipotent deity manage to let herself get "banished"?
:eyes: :wtf:
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 03:56 PM
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18. Ooooooh, sounds like tithing is down sharply n/t
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