I hope you enjoyed the 24 hours of 9/11 conspiracy talk in the GD forum.

We let you do it because the tape was all over the news so we figured it was pointless to try to stop the flood. But now that we've had our fun we're going to start moving those threads out of here.

Thank you for your understanding.

Skinner
DU Admin

We still have a General Discussion forum?

I thought it was replaced by The Flight 77 Forum.

:dem:

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:toast: Cheers to the mods!

If I want 9/11 discussions, I know where to find 'em.

Sid

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=125

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I knew there was a place for it. :thumbsup:

It isn't easy to find

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=125

I guess the strategy paid off.

No, no that's not the word I would choose ...

To quote a previous response,"Thank you, thank you, thank you."

said the white SUV was very low level, can't divulge the rest, not unencrypted wouldn't be safe.

it doesn’t surprise me that you believe the official 911 CT as well.

But it was a mistake to leave them up this long.

Or to use them as a fundraising effort.

Funny as that was.

for eternity.

So, I guess I missed out on the only day we were allowed to discuss it.

This is good and I'd love for everyone in the country to watch it. Talkin' about Shock and Awe!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6757267008400743688

backed up by facts and articles and professionals' expert opinions....

Everyone in America should see that! I sent to some Pubbies, I hope they watch the entire piece.

It is a must view!

:hi:

Edit...IPYFAOI HANDF

Even though every single point was taken down except his problems with
the aluminum/steel experiment.

:)

back to the

it will be nice to have some more company down in the DUngeon for a little while.

It was fun while it lasted.

but after seeing the topics that were authored yesterday and the following "discussions" I am quite pleased to see the mods doing what they do now with the 9/11 stuff.

Nothing was solved of course, so it is back to the cellar, I guess.

"conspiracy theories" are proven to be fact? Will it be hidden in the 9/11 forum still?


Just asking.

...I will personally hand you a check for a million dollars.

:rofl:

:rofl:

PERFECT response.

any of the bizarre theories to be true based on something other than "you can't trust Bushco". Well duh, but that doesn't mean they planned 9/11 after only being in office for 8 months. As if. :eyes:

It always comes down you "oh yeah, then why can't you prove a negative" :eyes:

What does the time in office have to do with it? Some say 9/11 was planned for Poppy Bush's
second term. The WTC bombing went forward in 93, but failed to produce the desired effect
even though an FBI informant wanted to, and was in a position to, substitute harmless powder
for the esplosives. The bombing failed because they parked the truck too far from the
supporting column.

I could believe in basic human decency as much as you do, Skinner.

You'll have to extend that donation meter way past 1200, though. B-)

reaction. I decided I should give the devil his due and read the stuff before
discarding it. I read a 25-page pamphlet and said "If even half of this stuff
is true, we're in big trouble." It was ALL true.

Oh, people were talking about hijackers with box knives again? I missed it.

:evilgrin:

If something fishy happened, we'll have to wait for more definitive evidence than yesterday's.

Why all the complaints about the 9/11 truth being hidden in a dungeon? There is a forum for discussing 9/11 issues, just as there is a forum for discussing Science, or Religion/Theology, or Israel / Palestinian issues, or Alternative medicine. You don't hear people who post in those groups complaining about their discussions taking place in a dungeon.

Quitcherbellyachin.

Sid

...and one reason is that by being segregated to a single area it is hard to get an influx of fresh posters and ideas.... Look at it this way,anytime you post,you are looking for the largest possible response to a topic you are fascinated by or feel passionate about.That said, it IS disappointing to see a post you are interested in hit a main board, only to disappear just minutes after it's arrival.

...I do visit the 911 forum and admit sometimes I would like to see a bit more coverage "up above" on the main boards.Hopefully this will send a few more bold souls to 911 to investigate and add their thoughts.
That said I would encourage you to consider a temporary amnesty program (whoops-did I say THAT) as future 911 postings hit the mainstream.While some will complain about "junking up the board" (and if you check,a small number of specific posters do most the complaining) it is our only chance to expose newer members to the controversy and complexity of this important and divisive facet of our recent (Read:Post-Bush Election) history....Regards,Cat.

I'm so glad there is a 9/11 forum for all that conspiracy theory stuff.

Whew! Back to reality for GD.

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I thought the posts were well though out and made good points.

I never thought DU was like this...

I guess I was wrong.

...that we have resumed our normal policy of moving 9/11 threads to the 9/11 forum.

The point of this thread IS NOT for you all to discuss the relative merits of 9/11 conspiracy theories.

So, yes DU is "like this".

It's clear now that Judicial Watch is a TOTAL RW SITE.

Do you think they KNOW what 9/11 news does to this site?

If so, given that the "video" offers nothing new and really accomplishes nothing, do you think that was a tactic to DISRUPT DU?

Now put on your :tinfoilhat: and tell me what you REALLY think :D

PRIORY OF SION threads here? :sarcasm:

I just wish there was some way for us to not have a brazillion threads every time something controversial comes up.

Oh, and I see why there is a segregated forum now.

-Hoot

DU :yourock:

But I must ask if you have read the books or seen the video of the lecture by David Ray Griffin:

http://www.wanttoknow.info/050504davidraygriffin

<snip>
Professor David Ray Griffin appeared on C-SPAN 2 (Book TV) Saturday, May 7th at 2:30 PM EST (11:30 AM Pacific time). In his 80-minute lecture to a standing room audience of 400 at the University of Wisconsin, Prof. Griffin, one of the most respected theologians in the US, discusses his extensive research into the 9/11 cover-up. (View now) This nationally televised lecture aired last weekend and will be repeated Saturday for those who missed it. David Ray Griffin is professor emeritus at the Claremont School of Theology, where he taught for over 30 years. He has authored or edited over two dozen scholarly books.

Two years ago, a trusted friend sent Prof. Griffin an email referring him to the reliable, easily verifiable information on the two-page 9/11 summary from our website, WantToKnow.info. After exploring the links to revealing articles on major media websites and progressing eventually to our 60-page 9/11 timeline and other excellent resources, he became convinced of a major cover-up around 9/11. Putting aside all of his work in theology, Prof. Griffin then devoted himself to writing The New Pearl Harbor, a devastating book which systematically presents a detailed account questioning the official story of 9/11.

Following the publication of the 9/11 Commission Report, Prof. Griffin published a second compelling book, The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions, which convincingly deconstructs the official story presented in the report. These two books have sold nearly 100,000 copies both in the US and abroad. They have been translated into several languages, and have convinced many key people of the need for a truly independent investigation into that fateful day.

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shortly after 9-11 and has been found to be very questionable.
Original footage show by CNN among others, included date and time that do not correspond to the Pentagon attack and shows that the image sequence omits one whole second.

Images show September 11 Pentagon crash
March 8, 2002 Posted: 7:09 AM EST (1209 GMT)
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/03/07/gen.pentagon.pictures/

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Go put on your tin-foil hat, and be quiet!

:tinfoilhat:

I am wearing the SAME tin foil hat!

:tinfoilhat:

And, my cell is right next to yours!

No ridicule. Just joking with you!

but never mind.

:hi:

:bounce::evilgrin:

:rofl: :bounce: :rofl:

:yourock:

That's all.

That's all.

Its the best forum on this website, and that's saying a lot.

where the opinions of the truthseekers get hidden away from the eyes of the general public.

I really wish the denizens of the 9/11 forum would make up their mind.

Sid

I am a scientist. I know enough physics to understand that those buildings fell too fast. There was no resistance from below. That is ONLY possible in a controlled demolition scenario. I have seen the math and the calculations and witnessed (of course) how those buildings fell.

When the 'official' version defies the basic principles of science, as a scientist, I must stick with whatever hypothesis fits the data. Controlled demolition fits. Pancaking collapse does NOT! And while many scientists (credible and reputable) have supported the pancaking theory, I am not completely convinced that they were objective in their analysis. And no scientist that I have seen or heard or read has ever explained how it is scientifically possible for those buildings to have fallen at free fall speeds with the pancaking theory.

Do you have an explaination? Are you a scientist?

And I ask you, if it was a controlled demolition, do you suppose Al Qaeda infiltrated the port authority? Really, how was it possible unless it was actually broader than just the 19 Al Qaeda guys? Have you read the books? Have you seen the circumstances?

Stop being so closed minded. You guys remind me of the German people. After the prisoners were rescued from the camps, they marched the townspeople in to the camps and forced them to bear witness to the atrocities. Most refused to accept as possible that their government could do such things. Why are you guys so closed off to the possibility of government involvement? All the data in totality points in this direction.

Open your minds!!

:thumbsup:

good for you, Skinner. That was very funny!

It was getting a bit kooky in here!

Many thanks, Skinner, for restoring peace and calm (relatively speaking) to GD by moving this topic once again.

My brain still hurts from browsing 1000 threads yesterday.

....

:rofl:

:hide:

oops! I started another flame-fest!

especially this government and todays' MSM.

Stuff about missiles and disappeared airliners and WTC packed to the rafters with explosive charges does not belong on DU at all.

MIHOP doesn't require belief in CD/Pentagate.

What doesn't belong on DU are ad-hominems of ANY kind.

I have only said that all of the CD talk is insane and not supported by the physics or ANY physical evidence whatsoever.

That the damage to the Pentagon was totally consistent with an airliner, and that there are credible first hand reports that a 757 indeed hit the Pentagon.

That flight 93 was not replaced by a bomb or missile, and that an airliner full of people really did crash in that field (though I think it likely that it was shot down as it should have been.)

Now, you could have MIHOP by helping out the hijackers. Personally, I don't think they needed much help other than the malign neglect of the Bush administration, and so I believe in a LIHOP event on 9/11. They killed antiterrorism activity in this country in the hope that this would give Bush his Reichstag Fire.

You DO tend to lump everyone who believes in MIHOP in the same bowl of nuts. I can't prove CD happened or not, but what purpose does flaming people who believe in it serve that aren't attacking you?

I don’t think September 11 should be in the topic forums.

It’s one of the most important days in US history and should be out front
with General Discussion and Latest Breaking News.

It certainly more important than The DU Lounge.

If anything the DU Lounge should be in the topic forums.

of pure fantasy about it.

The official conspiracy theory that is supported by practically no evidence; or other theories, which may be supported by more hard evidence than the OTC?

See Michael Ruppert's "Crossing the Rubicon"
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0865715408/102-1051077-1659337?v=glance&n=283155

The September 11 forum is more important than DU Lounge and
we discuss September 11 with what little evidence we have. That doesn’t make
It fantasy.

i think you can draw a line between the dismissive attitude toward 911 concerns and BHN's observation on old timers.

i'm sympathetic to DU's image not being "tarnished" by (whatever), but... it's the attitude toward this day and our need to understand it that ran many of the heavy hitters off. i remember it happening. there was a similar attitude toward election reform outside of the 2004 (stolen) election threads.

it's one thing to encourage "rational" debate. it's another to a priori dismiss the most important day in US history.

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there is an ENTIRE FORUM at DU dedicated to the subject of 9/11.

Here it is:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=125

No censorship. Just good housekeeping.

Would be better to know the facts before throwing around accusations.

on one hand you can’t let DU turn into Alex Jones or something like that but on the other hand you should stop allowing posters free reign to personally insult other DUers by calling them “ Conspiracy Nutters” “ Nut Jobs” “Tin Foilers” etc… That policy alone makes me feel as though I am less of a member than those who are allowed to insult and attack in a personal nature. That is in spite of the fact I have been a donating member for most of the years you have been a site.

The truth is a lot of people here are interested in some of those topics and have legitimate reasons to be so. A lot of these people have been here since the beginning and did not initially come here because of CT stuff. I still read all the threads, rarely do I read 9-11 or other CT related threads, but I do wonder WTF is up with all the obvious bullshit going on with the Government and that event. They obviously have a shitload of stuff to hide.

I am hoping in the future you will moderate the site in a way that is more respectful of those members who are concerned about these kinds of things.

Ad Hominems directed to those who question the 9/11 commission and wish to have a greater understanding of 9/11 via a thouroughly independent investigation should not be tolerated. It's freeperish bullshit, nothing more.

What all of you namecallers don't seem to get is that believing in MIHOP doesn't absolutely mean you have to believe CD/Pentagate. Read The Terror Timeline, which doesn't even TOUCH anything labeled as "wacky". There's enough dubious news items, logical fallacies, unlikely physics, strange and unexplained occurrences and obvious cover-up of most of that day's events accumulated in that book and on that site to rule out the tired "incompetence" argument. They KNEW and they DID NOTHING to stop it.

What he said.

n/t

having their own forum to discuss a topic, a topic that is very dear to them, with other like-minded individuals exclusively. It's like having a reserved table at a fancy restaurant, or an executive bathroom at an office building, or first class seating on a passenger plane (oops - probably a bad analogy :P).

Why the hostility, though? You should be thanking the owner of this site that you have a place to bounce your goofy shit off each other at will - and at someone else's cost at that.

any accidents. And you get the great comments: "Thank god those 'people' are at the
back of the bus."

"having their own forum to discuss a topic, a topic that is very dear to them, with other like-minded individuals exclusively".

That's not true. It is far more than a communion of masturbating true believers in the dungeon.

I am constantly amazed at how many conscietious objectors to the CTers I see over there every day fighting the good fight, taking on the loonies and constantly posting and posting and posting facts, questions and answers.

In fact, they are far more persistant and tenatious in their efforts to make our deluded brothers and sisters see the light than the nutters are in pushing their fantasies.

You should pop over and see the shit these posters put up with: hit and runs, questions never answered, ludicrous assertions, accusations of complicity/trolling etc. etc.

And yet, every day they are there making sense and sticking to the real world. Amazing.


BTW I agree with the rest of your post.

Cheers.

Directly or indirectly.

I resent the implication that there's something wrong with me because I want a thourough independent investigation of what happened that day, which we're not getting. I resent being called a crackpot because I'm not buying the BushCo spin on the events of that day. The 9/11 Commission report is a wholesale insult to those who lost their loved ones on that day. Believing in MIHOP does NOT absolutely mean you have to believe in CD/Pentagate. I understand where they're coming from, though.

:eyes:

questions answered?

They were promised their questions would be a "roadmap" for the 9/11 Commission.
They were a roadmap all right--of places to avoid!

http://www.justicefor911.org/Appendix4_FSCQuestionRatings_111904.php

There's where that POS led to.

Like the long long Vietnam MIA issue shrouded in mysteries, rumors and legends, the main issue was always getting the information first then solving the problem. Even though they created a movement of sorts that attracted a lot of lawmaker action on both sides, it was played off and played and trickled down into some small resolutions and puff! The JFK assassination even could be linked to inmpetus to getting the FOIA and did that settle the mysteries or the popular beliefs? No, like the Kennedys locked away in the archives privately scouring for the facts, hope has petered out with the dribble of incomplete facts.

The hope for uncovering, quickly(that is the key aim), the whole facts about 9/11 depends on winning politically and the governing will. A wild west cottage industry or mythologization only aids in delayingand impeding and dribbling out insufficient facts and cynical legends that can never be gratified. At least that has been the experience, and those hiding behind the coverup of raw knowledge have had experience how that works.

It only takes one post and one thread or one article to state the need for a full and ASAP investigation into 9/11 and how that will be demanded of a changed government. It will be a large sign among many whether a Democratic return will be a cancerous compromise or a revolutionary renewal. The Truth is a bigger thing than even the single wildest rumor being vindicated. They may be vindicated. They may even fall short of the awful truth, but the concern, much more critical to the survival of everything, may be shrouded by fighting stupidly over scraps and falsehoods tossed grudgingly by the retreating perps.

Those who profit from secrets deserve ALL the worst conjectures that can be made. Fair game, but stay patient with the term "conjecture" or guesswork, modest with linkage and expansive extrapolations. The issue is exposing ALL those secrets and holding them to exact account. Hidden in most conspiracy theories is a satisfied despair that though you believe such and such, you can neither get more evidence nor expect any accounting. The most distasteful consequence is expending so much effort in granting evil so much power and legend like a circle of angry, harmless fans. As it helps in pealing away lies and keeping the movement for Truth alive, OK, but it also seems to have a very negative, even helpful, predictable effect, for the crooks.

I sure don't. There is a case for a cover-up...a familiar fishy smell. And there is a strong resistance to wanting to go see what that smell is. Too many scary implications, not unlike the implications of rigged elections, which people are generally inclined to avoid. That's my touchstone for truth here--I saw how deathly afraid people are of looking at election theft--after the last 3 blatant disasters. That is perhaps a less disputed topic, but still points to grevious govt corruption, as does the NSA, Plame, Katrina, and the rest of it. As long as we have so much fear in this country, no investigations that mean anything can be carried out. Fear rules. Corruption flourishes.

PS--Skinner--thanks for at least allowing the topic to appear in GD when it makes national news, given your obvious personal opinion, which I see is crystal clear. The way you deal with this topic at DU probably does reflect reality as to opinion in the country as a whole. If 9-11 doubt & its implications were allowed full reign, the other side would be able to make much hay out of it and accuse the website of being overrun with CTs. So it works as a practical solution, even though I see it as more 50-50 than you do. Thanks for the explanation.

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And those who have no vested interest or financial gain, but who want to do right to those who were killed on September 11th, those who are experts in their fields of science and op research, they are all wackos?

What research have you done?

Where have you received your information to make a conclusion that those who are seeking answers and have been stonewalled by the Administration, including Kristen Britweiser, who has tirelessly asked for answers, how are they crazy and how are they conspiracy theorists?

Although you can rest assured, all signs point to this being a conspiracy, and a big one.

that there is a forum for discussions on this topic, and that's where discussion of this topic should take place.

I don't think that Skinner was making a judgement as to the quality of the evidence or opinions being promoted by the 9/11 Truth Movement.

Perhaps you should re-read what he posted.

Sid

soemone needs to get their story straight.

something this important gets buried in the 911 group , why should we not be generally discussing it?

in one forum. If you watch the documentary, it is based on credible sources, and research done by posters like yourselves. If you don't want to know anymore it, then don't go there.

Thanks for the link to the documentary.

We need to talk about what DU considers fun, Skinner.

by agents of the Trilateral Commission, working for their Illuminati masters, to remove all 9/11 content from this forum and toss it into the nether regions of the Sept. 11 forum. How long until the Council on Foreign Relations takes possession of this Web site by force??? HOW LONG???!!!1111!11

:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

I think everyone is now aware of the policy.