For those lurkers who believe in that "build a wall crap"

I believe the Communists tried that once and it seemed to fail miserably. people still crossed illegally into the Free West rather than stay in the failed communist world of East Germany.

Your own political opportunist Ronald Reagan jumped on the bandwagon after knowing for certain that the wall was coming down figuratively and literally and stood there with his well rehearsed: "Mr.Gorgachev, Tear down that wall."

What makes you think it will work at the border?
I'd adminish you to think about it, but I know it would be a wasted effort, Hannity and Oreally think for you and the only thing you read is Rush Limbaugh's lips.

and the Romans tried it in Britain for a while too. I believe they had plenty of slave labor available to get the job done in those days.

rw shit for brains have simple answers for everything,just listen for 2 minutes to any of those stupid radio programs. The last 5 years are proof that the simple answers work out like shit when put to the test.

most famously here:



And the beaut detailed in the maps at http://www.jmcc.org/images/maps/wallfeb05.pdf

Of course, walled cities have a great tradition, and sometimes the walls held, although the people within often wondered whether or not the release of death would have been better than the siege.

Most of the time, though, walls don't work, whether you're trying to keep your people in or their people out. Folks will do what they will, and walls won't stop them.

A better plan is to make the whole proposition as unattractive as possible. In the case of illegal immigration, we need to dry up their jobs by enforcing the laws we already have on the books. No jobs, no problem.

and require more investment, but this will be the new trick: a coyote, instead of walking a family across the desert, scrubs them up nicely and puts them in sports clothes. Then, the coyote hands them a few suitcases full of summer wear, and a wallet stuffed with enough cash for a nice vacation. Then, the "illegal" gets on a plane, with a round trip ticket, and comes to the country for a "visit" say, to go to Disneyland. Hey, they have return tickets, wave 'em through!

He's met on the other end by the coyote's pal, who takes the wallet, the suitcase, and warns the illegal that his mother's legs will be broken if he doesn't wire back the cash payment to the coyote every week without fail. Off ya go, Pancho!

Unless and until they nail the EMPLOYERS, people WILL find a way.

If one builds a wall someone else will build a tunnel, we need to help people not imprison them.

Mexico has always had problems, but historically they didn't have a lot of the ones which are driving people over the border these days. The US handed it to them. When we started this bit of going after cocaine in Columbia we thought we'd had a big victory at first, then the supply lines shifted from the eastern seaboard to the west, the Caribbean to Mexico.

All we accomplished was to move it from a thousand miles away to our own borders, and to create a massive problem there which has all but enveloped almost a dozen provinces. That's what their effort at legalization recently was about, trying to deal with a problem we handed them and that they can't solve.

If we weren't so responsible I wouldn't feel as responsible for them, but we damned well owe them something for what we've caused. Stay on your side of the border and deal with it isn't a solution.

"Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man." -- George S. Patton