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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 09:29 PM
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I have a son in the army!
I love him! He has been sent to Iraq 2 times...he has been in combat too may times for me even to remeber without great pain and guilt. I once told to him to inslst...many years ago..the 1970s..when he had skipped every class at the university where i had paid for him to attent. Well..he is home from Iraq..injured..but recvering! I love him very much! He just emailed me to tell me that he is very dissapointed to be sent to Atlanta, GA...to serve as a security personal for the Atlanta, GA Airport. I am glad to hear this..he will be close to me..and i am gratefull for this...but then it has hit me...the Army has taken control of our airports!!!!!!!!! The USA Army has now taken control of our AIRPORTS!!! No one reports this...not media tells us that the US Army has taken control of or airports....all weekend, we hear of the contrpl of our borders..but no one says that the usa army now controls our airports. We are done amd no one says it!!
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 09:31 PM
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1. Glad your son made it back okay.
How does he feel about doing civilian security? My boyfriend is on his 3rd deployment (second in Afgh.) and he HATES the idea of this sort of thing--but with respect to the NG on the US border. I'll have to ask him what he thinks about this.

Has anyone else heard of army in airports?
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 09:18 AM
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30. you never make it back from war OK
physical injuries or not the mental images stay with you a long time. 35+ years for me
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 09:32 PM
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2. Be sure to visit the Military Families Support Group Forum
Edited on Wed May-17-06 09:33 PM by proud patriot
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 09:09 AM
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27. WOW!!!
I NEVER knew that existed! Thanks so much!!!

:hi:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 09:36 PM
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3. Poor thing, are his injuries severe?
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 09:40 PM
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6. Well..all injuries are bad...nevermind the emothinal ones
What is am saying here..is that the military has taken over the civilian..they have taken over the Atlanta Airport..this is an international hub...and the US Govt Amry has taken it over!! This is significant, folks!
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 09:36 PM
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4. I am glad your son is back in the states...
that's scary.....isn't that what the Airport Security supposed to do....they are abusing the military...no doubt about it...
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 09:37 PM
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5. MXpat, you gave us all a scare last year, and I'm happy to see you!
I didn't know you had a son in Iraq, and I'm glad he's home and recovering.
Does he want to leave the Army, or because of his injuries is this where they put him?
There are employees wielding weapons at every big airport now, and some train stations.
I might think it's a good idea that your son isn't getting sent back to Iraq.
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 09:45 PM
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7. Hear what i am saying!!
The USA Govt has taken over the military! WE now have US ARmy depoloyed to an international airport...a msjor one...Atlanta International!!a Pay attention!!!
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 09:50 PM
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8. Working for TSA or contracting or just as active military?
Glad he is back, please tell me more. Glad you made it through last yrs hurricanes also.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 09:52 PM
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9. Yeah! You made it thru the hurricane!!!!
Much Northern Cali Mojo goes out to your son.
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:03 PM
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10. Jesus H Christr!
II am not looking for empathy or sypathy or compasiosn'! Iam looking for someone to respond to this? The Usa Army is deploying men and woman to international airports..the usa Army is deploying men and women to secure our airports....no legal support for this...the USA army is taking controo of or airports..is anyone interested in this scoop..Will, where are you. The military is taking control...and no one care! Would someone please at least care. I am not looking for someone ato care about me or my son..i am looking for someone to care about their world.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:07 PM
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11. Two words, Pat:
Possee Comitatus. Or the destruction thereof. Right on schedule.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:14 PM
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12. Is he working for TSA or contracting or just as active military?
Are you talking about active military, contracting with TSA, what? Walking around with uniforms and guns or screening or what? I have not seen this at Seattle, wondering what you mean could you please tell us more.
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:27 PM
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13. He is 43 years old...and trying to live as life time miliary!
The main thing i am saying here is this..the us military is now being deployed to secure the national airports in the USA,,US Army is being sent to secure the national airports. The US Army is now taking control of the major us airports. This is not being reported! This is happening without any of us knowing about it. This is important..and i am trying to tell you about it. Ignore it if you will...it is happening as we speek.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:31 PM
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15. OK, I'm trying to figure out what you are saying here
He is tyring to be a lifer in the military, probably get (20?) yrs to retirement time. He is still active military.

I haven't seen this at the Seattle airport, the one I use. How are they being used? Is his (troop? unsure of the term) deployed in uniform, etc, to do what? Thanks.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:28 PM
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14. Well, SAFETY to him. I volunteered to VN when it was unpopular n/t
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:39 PM
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16. Pay attnetion here!
Our national airports are being congfolled by the militaty!!!!!
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:45 PM
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18. I hear you! Don't you realize, when there start to be,
like, blackouts, and air raid drills, and neighborhood people walking around checking to see that all the lights are out, most Americans will casually glance out their windows and say, "Hey, what's that man outside blowing his whistle for?? I'm just watching CNN Headline News!"

We're like a frog slowly boiling, aren't we?

I will mention this airport thing tomorrow to people I see out there, and see what they think about it. Weird. Scary.
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:47 PM
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19. Thank you!
I wanted just one person to hear meQ!
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FormerOstrich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:43 PM
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17. Hello Mexicoxpat...
I understand what you are saying and I would like to hear more information, too.

What sort of duties will they be doing at the airport? How many are assigned to airport duty? Does your son know how many airports this is occurring at? Does he know when it started? Why are they doing it at this time? What did they tell him when they gave the orders?

Thanks for reporting this...I agree with you that this is potentially huge.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:48 PM
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20. I'm curious for more info, too. No sources on this so far...
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:25 PM
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22. This is not about my son..it is not about me!!!
What it is about, is sending a message..that is this...The US ARmy is now deploying personal to secure our national airports and it is deploying military personal to national airports for this service. Sending is of national concern...please pay attention to this!!!!!!!!! Pat PLease pay attention to this! It is of the utmost importance that you notice this!
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:39 PM
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23. Um, I did notice it and asked a couple of questions about it. nt
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 10:48 PM
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21. I will ask my husband if he noticed this
He just flew through Atlanta over the weekend. I don't know if his layover was long enough for him to notice more than the crowds....
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FormerOstrich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:01 AM
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24. Here is hoping for more discussion on this
:kick:
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FormerOstrich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 08:54 AM
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25. One more try for more discussion
:kick:
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Sammy Pepys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 09:07 AM
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26. Where is your son rehabbing? n/t
....
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 09:14 AM
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28. Welcome him home for me. I've been thinking of joining the army
myself.:toast:
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 09:16 AM
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29. Unbelievable the amount of posts
that don't understand the OP's point...


There is Military Control of Atlanta International Airport... Our airports are being guarded by the military....

Can anyone report on their airports???

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jeanarrett Donating Member (813 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 09:33 AM
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32. I can't believe it either. Does anyone bother to read the
posts or the OP before replying? Or are they just braindead?
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 09:36 AM
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33. Brain dead.....
I think maybe only 10 percent of the posters here ever bother to read past the post title, and then only half of those ever bother to read any links contained in the posts........and when they do read them.....only half understand them.

I have searched and cannot find any news stories on this.
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jeanarrett Donating Member (813 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 09:44 AM
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34. I found this by googling "military guarding airports."
Edited on Thu May-18-06 09:44 AM by jeanarrett
There's more too. Seems like it's been going on for some time under the Department of Homeland Security:

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:_YTiZOkHTU8J:www.ngb.army.mil/news/story.asp%3Fid%3D606+Military+guarding+airports&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1more
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 09:49 AM
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39. That was right after 9/11
It ended 6 months later. I have been in and out of Atlanta Airport dozens of times since then and not seen any troops acting as security since 2002.
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 11:07 AM
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41. Speculation: there may may rapid responce units at nearby
bases. The mission may be to deploy to an airport quickly in case of emergency but not actually be actively "patroling" airport grounds and facilities. More details from the OP would be helpful.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 11:33 AM
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42. Several of us have, and have replied asking questions about this
OP is not giving details and I know that I have not seen this at my bigcity airport, even last week. Where, what, more details would be nice rather than insults.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 11:36 AM
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43. I understand but have found nothing beyond the OP's post
Nothing at SeaTac last week, nothing found elsewhere, no one has seen this at Atlanta. Again, more details of what OP is talking about would be nice. I hear what OP is saying but want more details and co-oberation.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 11:51 AM
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45. No, questions were asked for her to elaborate and she didn't.
What more could we do? I understood her well; I saw guys in cammys with guns at a train station in NY last year, and have seen them at airports. I got her drift, but what the hell am I or anyone supposed to do about that?
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 09:30 AM
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31. The last time I was in Atlanta Hartsfield Airport was November....
I didn't see any military except for those soldiers that were shipping out. When did this takeover happen? Has anyone done a search for any news stories on this? I read the AJC online daily and haven't seen anything about this. Perhaps another new thread should be started with a different title to get people's attention.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 09:45 AM
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35. It may not be as sinister as you think
Apparently the military is now using Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport as a departure/return point for military cycling in and out of Iraq. Thus it wouldn't be suprising that the military sends in some of its own as security forces.<http://www.allbusiness.com/periodicals/article/149048-1.html>
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 09:46 AM
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37. I can't get to your link. n/t
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 09:47 AM
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38. I'm sorry, I don't know why
It's working well for me:shrug: Let's try it again
<http://www.allbusiness.com/periodicals/article/149048-1.html>
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 09:50 AM
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40. It says the page can't be displayed due to heavy traffic at the website.
:shrug:
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 09:45 AM
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36. This may explain a few things....
I don't know if he is involved with the project below, but it could explain a few things. Ft McPherson is located right next to Atlanta Hartsfield Airport and it seems logical that Atlanta would be one of the first places to test this system.

http://rfid.idtechex.com/knowledgebase/en/casestudy.asp?freefromsection=121

ReportFort McPherson Army base in Georgia is the home of the US Army Forces Command (FORSCOM), the Third U.S. Army/Forces Central Command and the U.S. Army Reserve Command. More than 5,000 vehicles pass through the main gate of the base every day, with each vehicle having to be checked by the military police on arrival. MPs would check the vehicle occupants' ID, check they had a Department of Defense sticker in the window, ask a question or two and then wave the vehicle through. The system was costly, labour-intensive, slow and inefficient.

TransCore and Gatekeeper Systems have now created a Ground Transportation Management System (GTMS) that would deal with travel and security around airports. The technology allows authorised vehicles (airport busses, taxis, cargo vans, etc) to enter the grounds, enabling manless security checkpoins that can monitor, track, control, record and report vehicle operations. Nearby traffic congestion and air pollution from vehicle emissions would be reduced, and airport revenues from commercial vehicle access charges would increase because vehicles would be charged on a "per use" basis.

As part of the test phase for the program, Fort McPherson's Public Safety Directorate began registering an initial 5,000 vehicles and drivers - mostly military personnel and civilian base workers.

An Intermec Intellitag is programmed with basic information about each person, such as those details found on a driving licence, details on the vehicle and the level of access granted. It is then mounted on the driver's windshield and is read by an interrogator mounted in the entrance lanes at the main gate. With the entire windshield acting as an antenna, the signal from the interrogator is reflected back to the reader, with the tag's information, for analysis by the Micromation Intelligent Gate Controller software. The system then either grants or denies access based on the information

(more)
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 11:47 AM
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44. Something is seriously wrong when a country's answer to ...
everything is to militarize it. Everything from airport & border security to juvenile boot camps is militarized in this country. I'm surprised we don't have them picking up garbage and patching potholes too.
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hadrons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:27 PM
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46. I've seen Army "guarding" Metro-North and Grand Central Station ....
I use the term "guarding" because most of the time the poor guys are standing there bored out of their minds ... but they're fully armed.
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:06 PM
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47. They work with the TSA and the airport authority - since 9/11
Remember, that there is TSA-type security and then local police officer -type security needed at all airports. (Passengers tend to get pretty drunk and pretty irate at times, tee hee)

I'm pretty sure it's just a cost savings collaborative measure, but it's been happening since 9/11. (I work for an airline, and go to the airport quite often.)

And it's not very unusual - I've been all over Europe (before and after 9/11) and they always have military staffing the airports.

Anyway, I think they can get the military in for cheaper than hiring loads more local police officers.

And it's a safer gig for them than Iraq, for sure.
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