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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 11:15 AM
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BushCo taking a series of unusual steps - Hayden to maintain his rank

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3626796/

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Roll Call reports that "GOP leaders and the Bush administration have agreed to take a series of unusual steps aimed at allowing Hayden to maintain his rank as a four-star general while suspending Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld’s authority over Hayden as a military officer while he serves as CIA director." Language is being included in the Pentagon authorization bill to formalize that demarcation.

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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 11:17 AM
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1. So long, USA; welcome to "Bushland." n/t
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 11:18 AM
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2. Is that legal?
Seriously, I'm wondering. Is that even legal?
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 11:23 AM
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4. Good question. Calling OldLeftieLawyer!
or any other Du'er who has the knowledge...
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:04 PM
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26. Protocal has it that no active
military person head the CIA. Legal? Idon't know.
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bluescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:47 PM
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29. So Stansfield Turner
was no longer active duty when he headed the CIA?
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 11:20 AM
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3. So no civilian control of the military? Interesting. And what about susp
suspending Shrub's Commander in Chief authority over a 4 star general?
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 11:27 AM
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5. The first step toward a military junta?
All those "paranoid" fears are coming to life. :scared:
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:24 PM
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28. Combined with an electronic border fence, NSA taps, death-squad Negroponte
as head of the DNI, millions of Operation TIPS informants signed up, one could become a bit paranoid if one were so inclined.

I don't know what dusk looked like before the black night fell in Germany but I sure hope these dots don't connect into a familiar pattern.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 11:28 AM
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6. WTF???? n/t
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 11:28 AM
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7. So Bush is commnder in cheif of CIA then......nt
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 11:29 AM
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8. What a total crock.
so now the chain of command is worthless? Who IS in charge of this ass? Only George?
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 11:32 AM
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11. There is no chain of command, only a chain of denial of knowledge
It starts with Bush** and trickles down.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 11:36 AM
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14. Negroponte is the guy Hayden reports to...Negroponte reports to....
...Herr Busch.

Comforting thought, eh?
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:19 PM
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21. And as CIC, Bush can bypass Negroponte, right?
Although the chain of command means nothing now. All that's left are Shrub loyalists, answerable only to him.
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:01 PM
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25. I wouldn't doubt it a bit.
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 11:30 AM
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9. This is getting
scarier by the day, hope the Dem's can get behind stopping this. Notice how it says "GOP leaders and the Bush administration" almost as if nobody else matters.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 02:56 PM
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33. Nobody else does.
:banghead:
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 11:31 AM
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10. I hope somebody's writing
all this down. Cuz the way I see it, there will certainly be a lot of folks in the future wondering how the USA became a fascist dictatorship.
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 11:32 AM
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12. I Was Just About To Post That This Should Be In LBN.
Then I read the little blurb hidden in a mountain of crap and realized, we will never hear of this again. Nice catch.

Jay
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 11:34 AM
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13. Appointing loyal military officers to head civilian agencies.
We are now officially a banana republic.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 11:37 AM
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15. How long are people gonna stand for this BuSHIT? They re-write laws
all the freakin time it seems. Seriously - how long are we expected to put up with this crap? Until it's too late? :(
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 11:41 AM
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16. I'd like to know what we can do
We write letters, make phone calls, sign petitions, march in protests...Polls now show the majority of Americans are p.o.'d with this regime...The Dems we rely on to at least stand up to these thugs roll over with a whimper....

What do we do when the entire government is non-responsive to the voice of the people?
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droidamus2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:10 PM
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19. Ther e is one solution
if the government is totally unresponsive to the will of the peope it is called 'Revolution'!!!
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:25 PM
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22. A lot of people will die if that happens
...and I suspect that's precisely what the Bush** regime wants, one way or another.

Welcome to DU, droidamus2!
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neoblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 11:48 AM
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Executive Ignores the Laws, then...
the Legislative bends over and tries to re-write them as though play CYA with Bush's A rather than their own. Maketh nonsense (also maketh no sense). I suppose that if the question ever qot far enough the Judicial branch would declare any law that offends Bush to be unconstitutional.

This is not the definition of a Democracy, unless it's a new form of Democracy--one properly named Totalitarian Democracy and/or Democratic Oligarchy (or in reality Corporate Democracy). Better yet, Illusory Democracy.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 05:20 AM
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35. bingo. You got it. Amazing to see a dictatorship in action isn't it??
Illusory Democracy gets my vote.
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man4allcats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:18 PM
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20. I fear, Comrade, that it may already be too late.
Of course I will vote in November (it will be our last hope), but the two most recent presidential "elections" would seem to have rather clearly demonstrated that, in today's America, vote counts only mean what the Busheviks say they mean. In the late '60s and early to mid '70s there was a lot of talk among those of us who were young then about "going underground." I think the time may have come to resurrect that term and start thinking seriously about just exactly what it entails. If we don't pull this out of the hat in November, there likely won't be anything left to pull out of the hat. And remember, a lot can happen between now and then. One good MIHOP and Der Fuehrer might decide to declare martial law and postpone the elections in the interest of national security. All this might once have sounded pretty conspiratorial, but how conspiratorial is it when the military starts taking over civilian agencies?

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luke_nichols Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 11:48 AM
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17. NSA Domestic Spying Links
I compiled some NSA Domestic Spying Articles and hosting it on my Server here.

http://truth4you.no-ip.org/special/nsa.html

November's Comin' Baby!

VOTE DEMS!

Luke Nichols
Princeton, WV
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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 11:53 AM
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18. Thanks Luke
Edited on Thu May-18-06 11:53 AM by Tuesday_Morning
and welcome to DU!
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 05:35 AM
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36. Welcome to DU, Luke!
May your stay be long and fruitful. :hi:
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:34 PM
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23. Well,
a CoverUp In Chief and no Congress. Hammer and sickle on our money is the only missing now.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:55 PM
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24. fixing the laws around their policy
now there is a shock! Repukes in congress are disgusting enablers of the little shithead king**. :puke:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:11 PM
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27. Good thing those individualist republican voters are on the job!
Otherwise I'd be worried.

:sarcasm:

Gratutitous I-told-ya-so-moment: I warned about the militarization of American politics in my journal a few months ago, and was largely derided for such criticism on the grounds that I myself am not a member of the military. How ironic.
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StatGirl Donating Member (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:51 PM
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30. This is probably to protect his pension
If he can maintain his military rank while doing a civilian job, he gets that many more years of service credit. Losing service credit for retirement is a huge disincentive for anyone to take a temporary political appointment, no matter where they are coming from.

Of course, the best solution to that problem is for the Senate not to approve his appointment in the first place.
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Lib Grrrrl Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 02:51 PM
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31. As Usual, when Bush Don't Like The Rules & Traditions
he simply refuses to live by them. what else did you expect from a guy who called the constitution "just a goddamned piece of paper?"

I think he needs to be reminded of his Oath of Office, in which he swore to uphold and defend that "goddamned piece of paper."

What an asshole!
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 02:55 PM
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32. Hey- why not just make all the Cabinet positions military, too?
Might as well finish the whole Banana Republic thing.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:12 PM
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34. "Hayden's a General? No problem...we'll just suspend the chain
Edited on Thu May-18-06 06:14 PM by mcscajun
of command because I SAID so." - Chimpy Sez

"GOP leaders and the Bush administration have agreed to take a series of unusual steps..." Like What ELSE is Fuckin' New??? :grr:

He'll no longer report to Rumsfeld; how utterly charming. :sarcasm:
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