Someone please explain to this straight gal why I should fear gay marriage

I'm reading about the discourse between Specter & Feingold and reading about how we need to have 1 man and 1 woman in order to define a marriage. And I'm being told by these republicans that if we don't pass this law then somehow the whole sanctity of marriage & existence of the universe will cease to exist if we allow same sex marriages.

I'm just not getting it. Maybe I'm just a dumb blonde, but I know of same sex couples who have been together for years, even decades and have some of the most stable & reliable relationships out there and yet somehow they are the enemy of the state because they both have the same sex organs.

So I guess I'm confused. Can someone help out this gal please!

EDIT NOTE: No, I'm not a straight gay - I'm a straight gal

Or something.

I thought that was the illegal immigrants and liberals who want to take my guns

They pack in tightly.

:scared:

she's sooooo blooonnndddeee!! just teasing actually because gay men will seduce straight husbands with one simple blowjob and they'll like it so much that once you gay, you'll never be straight...and then you'll want to marry your dog, cat and other living creatures on earth...well...that's what tricky Ricky Santorum said..right?

...and then you, too, will understand the logic.

or something like that.

:crazy:

with the wide slots, I kinda understand the impulse, I must say.

are you saying that the flying toaster screen saver is part of the homosexual agenda? it was probably designed in San Francisco...

if there is an alternative to traditional, or as I like to call it, 'lockdown' marriage, than you'll never be able to get a man. Think about it, if he can live a fabulous Greenwich Village lifestyle, having casual sex all the time, drinking Chablis at art gallery openings and mocking the flyover states, why would he ever settle down and do the hard work of being a good American?

oh wait, I was drinking Chablis at an art gallery opening last night. hmm...

and contribute to the population. They'll marry men, not all of them will adopt, and there will be less babies.

Works same way for lesbians.

What straight gal would want to miss out on that? :sarcasm:

are having fewer kids as it is.... ;)

I really don't think marriage as it is needs to be defended. A lot of people don't want to get married, so there's room for everyone, as far as I am concerned.

I know, gay people will SAVE the institution of marriage from extinction! That's the way it should be pitched!

:toast: :bounce:

It would make us equals.

gays marry they'll have nicer lawns than we do?



Think about it. It will happen. You know it will.

i am gay as the day is long and my lawn is terrible this spring - I suppose I should stop having all those promiscuous gay sex parties all over it in front of my straight neighbors

It scares the horses when you have lawn parties like that.

;-)

it's a gay orgy, obviously the horses are involved.

:D

Let's not forget the appliances!

remember, those are illegal.

How about pictures of Toasters and Juicers doing naughty things then?

so we can project it onto the garage door.

Toasters & Juicers on Video Tape - OH MY!

to Bed Bath and Beyond, don't it?

Why do you hate America!

but must be used with extreme caution

Yes. Must be used with EXTREME caution.

Takes the phrase "Oh God!" into a whole 'nother dimension.

Ooops... Go directly to hell. Do not pass GO, do not collect $200.

A little fertilizer and some water, and anyone can have a nice lawn. But a great sex party...

It is amazing that Dick Cheney are able to Alan Keyes are able to stay straight.

:wink: :wink:

set the right mood...

who knows what might happen...

You will immediately start having sexual feelings for other women and no sexual feelings for men. After you, it will spread to those around you.

My perspective as a gay guy:

There are a certain group of people, who are right wing and loudly claim to be "Christians", who hate gay and lesbian people. And they despise the idea of seeing us get the same rights and legal recognition from marriage as they enjoy. These people form the base of the Republican Party. So, they will demand anything that keeps us from enjoying the same legal rights from marriage that heterosexuals take for granted. "Anything" being amendments to the Consititution.

in loveless marriages for the sake of appearances, so does everybody else, dammit!

"Because if Republicans have to be stuck for life in loveless marriages for the sake of appearances, so does everybody else, dammit!"

LOL.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

in our country. How does the republican plan to outlaw gay marriage REDUCE the divorce rate in 1 man/1woman marriages?

And I still have yet to hear an answer other than, "God commands me to fear gay marriage."

...oh, Hell, since when did ANYTHING a reborner kook believes have to make sense? Next you'll be asking why it makes a difference whether an immigrant came into the country in 1682 or 1982 or 1997.

anyhow, welcome to DU :hi:

to answer your question. But, DU tends to lean towards small appliance marriages, so don't ask us.

Many of the people I've confronted are opposed to gay marriage and homosexuality in general because they want their kids to deliver hereditary grandchildren for them. It's a very big issue for some people.

those same people expressing the darwinian desire to pass on their genes (not their history, not their social makeup, but their genetic makeup) would be horrified to teach their grandchildren about evolution.

*Very* good point. :thumbsup:

Force their children to be straight?

They want their kids to be straight, and they think making gay marriage illegal will prevent it (?)

I dunno. Go figure.

started all this sex stuff, kids didn't have sex. they didn't even know what sex was, until their parents told them on their wedding day. All of a sudden, the media starts telling kids about sex, and good christian girls are getting knocked up left and right. So obviously, when the media starts talking about the gay sex, little timmy is going to start chasing little billy around (let's be honest, no one has a problem with girl on girl action, expecially if they're hot, but boys? that's unnatural) So instead of chasing little jenny around like he should be, timmy is chasing billy, because the media told him to. Sure enough, pretty soon, they're going camping, and fishing, and hunting. like in that movie. you know, the evil one?

it's proven that the genetics make up whether or not you're gay or straight.

Just think about it. Gays allowed to marry, instead of hiding in loveless "show" marriages, where you have to "reproduce" to save face . . . Gays might just "Darwin" themselves out of existence!

Mind you, that's just speculation . . .

marriage, not listening to your partner is a threat to marriage, not being compassionate and caring is a threat to marriage, gay people getting married is a threat to no one.

"they" being the fundies of the world.

If you allow Satan's sodomitical minions to marry, and life goes on like before, meaning the sky doesn't rain Hellfire down upon our cities and towns as told in the Bible bringing on the utter doom and extinction of our civilization, then something very dangerous will happen. It will become clear to millions of cross-clutching Bible thumping believers that God is dead.

It's not that they are afraid that God will launch the Apocalypse and get primeval on our asses, it's more that they are deathly afraid that God can't.

That is why they can't allow gay marriage: they have staked EVERYTHING they believe in, everything they hold themselves to be, on the image of a vengeful and explicitly totalitarian God. The Creator of the Universe, the Lord of the Quark, the Proton, Neutron and Electron has as His Chief Concern the limitless sexual propagation of upright monkeys. Nothing is more important than that Tab A be accepted by Slot B and bring forth the fruit of our Monkey Wombs, in exponential progression forever, Amen. It is not sufficient for most of the human race to propagate they ALL must propagate conforming to the model of Adam and Eve, whether this interests them or not. The fate of the Universe hangs in the balance! If God fails to punish us for disobeying Him in this task, and he fails to destroy our civilization (like he did Sodom and Gomorrah) for slapping him with the ultimate affront and rebellion, then that God is not God. He's finished. And if that God is dead, then these people who count themselves his worshipers and faithful subjects are totally lost, facing the void with no support. Their lives and faith and the faith and lives of their forebears will have been rendered into a dirty joke. They can't risk that, so they will do everything in their power to prevent such a test of their faith from ever occurring.

Oh, wait...

I'm confusing gay marriage with immigration.

Let me think...


Hmmmmm...


Oh, I know:

It's because Christianists need to fear punishment in order to behave "morally."

That is why the Christianists want to ban the Cervical Cancer vaccine. They say that White Christian Girls will suddenly become sluts if they're not afraid that having promiscuous sex might give them Cervical Cancer-- I shit you not!

The Christianists try to get the government to make laws against anything that might tempt them toward "immoral" behavior-- because they need to fear punishment (from the law, or from an invisible man in the sky)-- in order to keep themselves and their children in line.

They don't want people to see gay couples in loving, stable relationships, because then people might believe that gay couples can form loving, stable relationships. And if people believe that gay people can form loving, stable relationships... well... people might be tempted to enter into gay relationships themselves!

"Oh, dear! Those lesbians have been together for twenty years and they look SO HAPPY! You know, I think that I will become a lesbian! But first... I'll need a sex change!"

The Christianists want to make sure gay people are persecuted and punished, because they believe that it will prevent people from "becoming" gay, for fear of being persecuted if they do.

Christianists need to fear punishment in order for them to behave "morally."

And they will say or do anything to impose their values and their wills upon the rest of us.


If you want a good insight into the Christianist mind:

Cervical Cancer Vaccine works...Dobson shits the bed

by peeder
Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 02:30:31 PM PDT

So today we find out that the Vaccine against cervical cancer works, and really well:

An experimental vaccine has proved highly effective at preventing cervical cancer in a two-year study involving more than 12,000 women, researchers reported today.

The vaccine works by making people immune to two types of a sexually transmitted virus that cause most cases of the disease.

The vaccine, Gardasil, is made by Merck, which plans to apply for approval to the Food and Drug Administration before the end of this year and, if the vaccine is approved, to market it in 2006.

But Dobson and the Religious Wrong are going to be incensed! Why? More below:

More:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/10/6/173031/715

Fundies believe that if we tolerate "evil", God will judge the country. For some reason, being gay is more evil than just about anything (e.g., lying us into war, killing thousands of innocent people, stealing from the poor, not helping the sick, etc. etc.). Therefore, we must stamp out homosexuality before God gets us.

And they really, really hate it that we don't hate ourselves.

why can't they just disassociate themselves from us, like, maybe, leave the country forever?

gay themselves.

it might turn you gay and then you'll need to make out with chicks.

Simple.

popping somebody named Mary..

:hide:

It must have been the Ashley or Brittany of the turn of the millenia.

Without her, there wouldn't have been a Joseph and Mary, let alone Jesus.

Come on. Compared with this



Is it any wonder there are more Marys than Eves?

Be sure and budget 10% for your church and eagerly write checks for GOP politicians and everything will be fine, Dear.

Seriously. It's a big deal because it's a money-maker. As long as they can keep you fearful enough that you'll keep making payments, you can count on them making this another one of those things that will "destroy us" Boo-gay-men thingies.

Sheesh, didn't you get the memo.

As a lesbian in a long term relationship (20+ years), I was going to try to give you my perspective, but then I read this thread and had to crack up because many of the answers are just too funny. (Thanks to those witty ones who made my day. I really, truly needed a good laugh because of the absurdities happening each day in "our country.") :grouphug: to all of you.
I'm really beginning to think these strident, whacked out, hysterical morans are self-loathing, closet queers who are very afraid. I think they're probably more sexually active and "imaginative" than the "average queer," whatever that is.
IT"S NOT JUST ABOUT SEX! (shouting for emphasis).
We love. We work. We pay taxes. We spend money. We are usually more educated. We have more disposable income. We are vocal.
We are everywhere.
We vote.
I think these assholes just can't/don't want to acknowledge that they are actively discriminating against a good portion of the population.
It's about control.
They are very afraid.
PS. I'm not counting Mary Chaney in my tribe, m'kay?. She does not speak for me.
k&r

and it kisses the ass of the Bush* base.

Give the DU'er a cigar.

is for political reasons. If the "gay-marriage" issue permits Republicans to win again, then it is not gay marriage that we have to worry about, it is everything else. So it is not about gay marriage. It is about cutting programs for the most needy, more taxbreaks for the wealthy, lower wages and more jobs going overseas, less for education, a dirtier environment, etc. So, it's not just about gay-marriage.

... since gay marriages were allowed three years ago.

Why, in my neighborhood alone, people's marriages are DOOMED!

The divorce rate is SKYROCKETING!

The lawn care has been NEGLECTED!

People put their garbage out on MONDAYS instead of TUESDAYS!

Oh, no! Someone painted their house LAVENDER!


So, you see, gay marriage has some really bad effects.

Because the bosses want you to.

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” H.L. Mencken

If gay people will be allowed to marry, and transform into "regular" boring married couples, who will invent fun new ways to keep straight marriage interesting?:grouphug: :spank: :P

Two periods. Overlapping. EVERY month.

OH, THE HUMANITY!!!

It would probably leave about one good day for visiting the LostinVA homestead safely.

Hey, did you watch ANTM last night? I missed the first half but was glad to see Jade got the boot.

Jade was literally nuts! Like she was on meth or something... bizarre and sooo funny. You gotta catch it! If I had taped it, I would mail you the tape. Seriously? I honestly think she's functionally illiterate... she couldn't read her commercial script or the cue cards well at all...

She disgusted Twiggy. I love Twiggy. She and Janice should do their own show.

She left with a poem. I swear.

And, I am not a b-word when I have the curse... but the SO is.... the Lostinva household can be kinda scary then.... I just let her watch "Sell this House" or "Curb Appeal," and she calms down some.... she also steals my tampons....

i dont know how to argue this with people. i am opposed to poligamy because it seems like an environment where hte majority of time it is abusive to women, or i wuold say wtf, i dont care. i want gays to have marriage and all the rights. i dont see how we can just say man and woman. so are we then going to define marrriage is of two people... and leave it at two, and gender is out of it. my other means of argument would eb we dont define what a marriage is and polygamy is allowed. again setting up for the abuse of women which i think is why it is outlawed anyway.

i need to know what the argument is.

and this is a question for attack.... i am seriously saying i need the intellectual argument
how the law would stand and poligamy argument that is always brought in.

actually if we will remember the right brings in marry animals, which is the pig the party is and absurd. but i can see it with then we must ok polygamy

for them, it is a real war. If the culture becomes "debased," then their children will be more likely to get in trouble, and God will be mad too. Their imaginations are making the stakes out to be higher than they really are.

On some level too, I think it's about trying to control other people's lives, because they have so little control over their own...which is pretty common in fundamentalist societies.

into reducing the divorce rates, increasing adoption successes, strengthening the foster care system, and widespread happiness; and it must be stopped right now.

;)

You know the drill. First they lure you into a pit of Sodom, say, Manhattan, with the promise of face time with fellow DUers. Then they ply you with kamikazes, crank up "Led Zeppelin IV", and next thing you know, you're in the passenger seat of a pickup with tin cans tied to the rear bumper, right above the Massachusetts plates...

:sarcasm:

If we allow some people to be openly gay, then repressive conservatives will have to accept their own gay children, and acceptance is the gateway to catching homosexuality yourself. And Jesus. And the Bible.

I'm shocked (SHOCKED) you can't see that. No other reasons are necessary. It's just scary.

Glad i could help.
The Professor

as a political issue that distracts us from really important stuff. Gay marriage should be a no-brainer. Civil partnership licenses for any two consulting adults (whether same gender or one of each) and let the various religious denominations decide whether they will marry them or not. Heck, I've known plenty of gay couples I'd officiate for in a heartbeat and heterosexual couples I could never marry in good conscience.

I'm itching for a good gay wedding ceremony to come my way. Much more meaningful than the tripe ministers repeat by rote because it's traditional. Same gender ceremonies generally are more personalized and--shall I be crass and honest here?--the receptions are to die for! Someone always knows a kick ass florist and a genius for a caterer. ;)

It's been proved. One minute your neighbors are gay, and the next minute you're living next door to reptiles.

:hide:

Can't see love. Subversive subversive I tell you. Love bad. Very very bad. We need more hatred. NOW! NOW! :sarcasm:

That's us freaking out the Phelps clan down in DC during the Millennium March.

You've got darned nice arms and your husband's ears aren't bad either.

:blush:

I'd better go get drunk in a bar and hope some guy lays me, just to maintain my heterosexuality!

:sarcasm:

Butt sex makes baby Jesus cry.

:thumbsdown:

You know, you enter into it agreeing "okay, so now I can never sleep with anyone else ever again, and if it doesn't work out, she gets half my stuff".

After 17 1/2 years of marriage, I have to say that if she ever dumps me or kills me, I'll never get married again (especially if she kills me). Unless of course I meet some nice, friendly, ruggedly handsome gay stallion to sweep me off my feet, since I'm sure that, after hanging around with liberals and gays all this time, I've been infected with the gayness virus or whatever it is that makes it so contagious and ominous and scary to kkkristians.

Also, the wild front-lawn orgies with household appliances that I've been reading about sound almost too good to resist.

wanting to marry their dogs and sheep and cats and goats.

Gosh, didn't you know that? LOL!

I wish I had that little "sarcasm" thing the one guy on here has. That's cool!

all over the US.

In the end, it's all about the money.

Full disclosure:

1. I'm an activist/lobbyist for EGALE
   
2. I've been married twice
   
3. I spoke (on the pro side) in an official capacity at the Canadian Federal Gay Marriage Task Force debates (link available upon request)
   
4. I'm a severe opponent of the religious right
   
5. I'm an organist - I've played plenty of weddings, met many brides and grooms
   

Marriage in general and wedding in particular have almost nothing to do with logic, religion or stability of relationships. Weddings are a steeped in symbolism - and people take their symbols very seriously. The concept of marriage is awash in promises both stated and implied. The problem is, people engage in some pretty serious logical fallacies concerning these symbols and promises - been there, done that.

Basically, the causality is, "if you get married - nice stuff happens". Here's a partial list:

• Lots of straight sex
  
• emotional, personal, financial stability
  
• hearkening after strange flesh (eg. angels, gays, animals, loose/expensive/fast women/cars) will go away
  
• white picket fence and other trappings of conservatism
  
• an end to sadness, loneliness
  

Someone thinking rationally will notice right away that this is magical thinking.

Sorry, have to reboot - more on edit or later.

If you think the gay marriage debate is thorny, try being involved in planning a wedding.

Everybody wants "here comes the bride" and "Wedding march". Google them and look up where they come from. Read the plots (http://www.sparknotes.com/shakespeare/msnd/summary.html http://www.music-with-ease.com/lohengrin-plot.html). I ask prospective brides, "do you really want your processions to be accompanied by music related to death, transvestism, bestiality etc etc."? We usually settle on Bach or Purcell.

How about a wedding where the bride wants to wear white and have her son be ring-bearer? I was in on one of those and was moments away from calling the police to intervene. The 'thinking' was something like this:

White is a symbol of purity and virginity. I wore white to my wedding. I was a virgin and pure (you can stop laughing now). If (voice of fear and loathing) SHE (end voice) wears white that destroys it as a symbol and I will feel that I wasn't virgin and pure at my wedding.

Now apply the same 'logic' to gay marriage.

That just blew it for everybody.

getting married. Or, to be more accurate, it IS about that, but it is also about something that WILL affect each and every one of us, whether gay, straight, or indifferent.

It is about whether the federal government will begin to take over the area of domestic relations law.

Ever notice where your divorce hearings took place? Ever hear of anyone having a divorce hearing in a federal court? Of course not! All divorce matters are handled at the state court level. That is as it should be. For something as personal as custody, divorce, emancipation of minors, etc., the tribunal SHOULD be one that is closer to home. It SHOULD be a more localized tribunal. Why? Because then the tribunal has rules/regs/judges who are more localized and who presumably come from the same geographic area and similar culture to that of the parties before the tribunal. That's a good thing--that means that the judge lives in the same community as does the family in question, and, well, IMO, it's better for a local person to be deciding such personal issues.

But if the insane retard reactionary gay-hating, gay-baiting, nutjobs get their way, there'll be this RIDICULOUS "Marriage Amendment" which will add language governing marriage (and by extension, divorce, family, minors, custody, etc.) to the Constitution which is a FEDERAL, one-size-fits-all, law. Now, I'm not badmouthing the Constitution, but, see, things that are in it create spin-off federal statutes and THOSE are ALSO one-size-fits-all. IOW, someone in Washington, D.C., is suddenly deciding issues which are very personal. And we DON'T want that--especially given the cravenness of the creatures that exist "inside the Beltway"!

If the freeptards and their ilk ever get their insane "Marriage Amendment", they--and we, who aren't to blame for it--will suffer from the law of unintended consequences for decades to come.

tell people who yammer and whine about how they just HAVE TO have a "defense of marriage" act:

"WOW. I am SO SORRY! WHAT a SHAME that your marriage is so weak and on such shaky ground that you have to get yourself an act of Congress to prop it up. I'm sorry for you about your marriage - perhaps you need counseling if it's that threatened? I guess your marriage must be on life-support. WHAT A SHAME! It just doesn't threaten me, OR my husband, OR our THIRTY-YEAR MARRIAGE if gays can tie the knot, too. But perhaps MY marriage is on firmer ground than yours is..."

Lots of "innocent" eyelash batting as I do this.

I honestly feel that way. If they're so frickin' threatened because gays might be able to get married, then that doesn't say a whole helluva lot about the strength and stability of their own marriages. At least to me. If they were on such stable ground with their own spouses, NOTHING should be able to threaten their marriages. Not gays. Not anything else.

To me it says a lot more about how shitty some of these people's marriages must be if they're THAT threatened by this.

That is the way to go. Tell 'em stuff like "sorry your marrige is in such trouble".

I wish I had the forethought to do things like that, but my temper just usually makes me blurt out stuff like "shut up bigot". LOL

I'll try to think more like you and do it your way. That's awesome.

You know from "Queer Eye" that gay guys have a talent for shopping and spotting things. If they are permitted to marry they'll immediately fill all the best spots at all the best chapels, restaurants and hotels. That means that heterosexual couples will be stuck holding their receptions at Denny's and their honeymoons at Motel 6 on the Interstate.

This is, of course, the fault of middle-class women for allowing gay men to overtake them in shopping prowess. Women used to be able to get all the bargains. Now they're like a distant fifth, behind gay men, stoners, college professors and antique pickers.

Mind you, it's only gay men who are good at shopping. Lesbians are as bad or worse at shopping than redneck males, who currently rank about 18th on the overall rating of B.S. (Bargain Spotting).

:hi: Lynne

I'm not blonde & I don't get it either. No one has ever been able to answer that question for me, beyond the usual "God doesn't want it." stuff.

dg

Put it this way-- Repug haters are defending your right to be a "dumb blonde" and a "gal"

:evilgrin:

Wants to have sex with a dog. Or something...

your children will be in jeopardy!

"Quick Thelma, hide the dog".
:sarcasm: :puke:

If you believe in a God who a) condemns homosexuality, and b) is in the practice of flooding, plagueing or otherwise smiting nations whose populaces behave in ways that he disapproves off then it could be viewed as making America a more dangerous place to live, I guess.

If you believe that there is a nefarious homosexual agenda to take over America and declare heterosexuality illegal so as to make more room for illegal immigrants then it could be a first step.

If you believe that the state bureau of records is overworked to bursting point, and if it's required to register homosexual marriages as well as straight ones it may explode, rendering it impossible for anyone to get married and obliterating the records of all existing marriages then it's clearly a threat, although one that could be easily worked round by hiring more officials.

If you believe that there is only a certain amount of "marriageness" to go round, and the more people it's divided between then the less there will be of it for each couple, then it's arguably a threat to you.

If you don't believe any of those, it's hard to see how it could affect your marriage in any way, shape or form, to be honest.

to hate homosexuals. And fear them.

That's really the only reason these idiots have.

Sanctity of marriage, my ass!

just kidding

why would anyone be threatened by gay marriage, unless they were afraid that they were gay themselves and in denial?

just might 'wake up' one morning & discover he is gay. That's the only way I've been able to figure out why Repubs are so afraid of gay marriage and Dems are not.

that gays have had no ill effect on my 19 year marriage. If the lawmakers want to (I mean REALLY want to) protect my marriage, then they can do something about the legitimate threats to it. Things like the fact that after 23 years of working for the same company, my husband was laid off with the absolute minimum health care coverage and severance. After which he remained unemployed for almost 2 years, and my children had no health insurance for a year. Then, in order to pay our mortgage, we were forced to close out his 401K, then pay half of it in penalties and taxes, which we had to refinance our home to pay. Not to mention the unemployment compensation that we had to pay taxes on (no withholding).I promise you, these factors, many of which the government could have stepped in to help with (like the penalty for withdrawing 401K funds, or taxes on unemployment compensation, or not considering unemployment a hardship when filing taxes on 401k money, or health care for children)were most definitely a threat to my marriage. The only problem I have ever encountered regarding gay marriage was whose name should go first on the engraved goblets we purchased for our dear friends. That created quite a strain on my husband and me, let me tell you! (not!)