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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 10:36 PM
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Biggest 3-D Map of the Universe
http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/biggest_3d_universe_map.html

Tue, 16 May 2006 - Astronomers from UC Berkeley have created the most comprehensive three-dimensional map of the Universe ever published. Amazingly, this map is merely a slice containing 1/10th of the northern hemisphere. It contains 600,000 galaxies and extends out 5.6 billion light-years into space. This map allows astronomers to study evidence for dark energy - the mysterious force accelerating the expansion of the Universe.

Surprisingly enough, the center of the universe is composed of some yarn, a few buttons, an empty Sara Lee pie tin, an old Bob Marley 'Catch a Fire' CD, some plastic safety scissors, a stack of Better Homes & Garden magazines Dec '71 thru Sept. '75, some used up porn and a jar with Hitler's brain in it.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 10:40 PM
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1. Bosh and piffle. Everyone knows the universe is 6000 years old.
Well, 6010, actually. :evilgrin:
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 09:35 AM
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14. It's 5880 Years Tops
You're exagerrating! :evilgrin: Me Too!
The Professor
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 10:42 PM
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2. Reading the article, it doesn't sound like they've mapped every star...
...in that range. In fact, it sounds like for many of those galaxies, they've more estimated the distance than measured it.

However, hopefully this 'map' will get more in focus as the centuries go by...

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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 01:16 AM
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5. They don't claim they mapped every star, they do claim
they measured the distance to those galaxies, even though not 100% accurate.
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 04:36 AM
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6. It is very difficult to measure the distance to a galaxy
For very distant galaxies, they use the Hubble constant to convert from recession velocity (due to expansion of Universe and measured via the doppler shift) to distance after calibration using closer in galaxies.

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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 05:31 AM
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7. true, but doesn't mean it was "more estimated then measured"
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 06:48 AM
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8. Here's what gave me that impression
From the article:

The Sloan Digital Sky Survey astronomers worked with colleagues on the Australian Two-Degree Field team to average the color and redshift of a sample of 10,000 red luminous galaxies, relating galaxy color to distance. They then applied these measurements to 600,000 such galaxies to plot their map.

Padmanabhan concedes that "there's statistical uncertainty in applying a brightness-distance relation derived from 10,000 red luminous galaxies to all 600,000 without measuring them individually. The game we play is, we have so many that the averages still give us very useful information about their distribution. And without having to measure their spectra, we can look much deeper into space."


Perhaps I'm reading it wrong, but to me it reads like they actually measured a sample of 10,000 galaxies via redshift, then used those measurements to come up with the distance of the rest of the 600,000 galaxies.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 09:01 AM
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11. ..based on color-redshift correlation, not estimates.
Of course redshift itself is merely an indication of distance, and color can at best be an indication of redshift. So there's a large margin of error, but not so large that it is useless.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 11:22 PM
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3. And a yellow, well-worn paperback copy of "The Sirens of Titan," with
lots of underlinings and shocking words with exclamations marks after them in the margins. This particular copy of "The Sirens of Titan" has passed through 313.0897 hands since it was first printed, was last sold for 10 cents in a no-longer-existing used bookstore in Lawrence, Kansas, and is known to be the extra bit of matter needed, in the overall picture of things, that tips the balance between Universe Expanding and Universe Collapsing. Astronomers call it the T-SOT equation. Upshot...

...it is now collapsing. Everything, that is. All of it. Goodbye, time forward. Goodbye, everything. Nice knowing ya. Thanks for FEMA, and thank our lucky stars we won't be needing emergency services any more!
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 12:42 AM
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4. Stellarium.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 06:54 AM
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9. Too bad you are stuck on Earth with Stellarium...
Edited on Fri May-19-06 06:55 AM by Solon


ON EDIT:

Forgot the link to the program!

http://www.shatters.net/celestia/
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 06:54 AM
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10. I have a map of the US that's actual size
It's a real pain to fold.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 09:04 AM
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12. Looking at the picture in the article made my brain hurt.
I haven't had any coffee yet this morning, so that's where I'll lay the blame.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 09:15 AM
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13. Now that's the Big Picture.
People who understand astronomy have a better appreciation of life on earth, IMFO.

Thanks for the heads-up, Jara sang.
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Jigarotta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 09:41 AM
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15. check this beauty out... hubble.swf
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