I just realized that I fully support the minute men and a secured border

I am pro immigration. I think that it should be simple and legal to immigrate into America. I am for Bush / Kennedy style 'back of the line' amnesty. I support open immigration with a secured border to stop illegal immigration of terrorist and people that will not follow the laws.

Peace, God! I think I solved it!

... how many can we take on per year...?

freedom for all. There is a better way.

-how many can we take per year? A- As many as necessary (or all of them).

decaying. Where do you propose to get funds to support more legal and illegal citizens? Borrow more money from China or sell our national lands, perhaps 1/3 of our total, for 10 cents on the dollar.

Perhaps we should accept one immigrant who will work in the lowest paying job and deport one citizen who will not do that job. :shrug:

world.

There are many possibilities... We can do it!

but that is not the solution... the solution is out there.

we could use additional resources to fight crime in the inner cities, or to give teeth to the UN security council. I have faith in America's ability to provide a better life for all.

but the fed govt can be used for anything.

jobs for immigrants.

Why not first make jobs for unemployed citizens, i.e. make work mandatory for everyone who is on the public dole and capable of doing some task?

safety net assistance.

My point is that we can make it work. This is America, the greatest country on earth.

Just because we choose not to tax the wealthiest of Americans, doesn't mean we can't afford social programs.

....housing in many areas is already hard to get, medical services are already stretched to it's limit, social services are an absolute nightmare, and on and on we go.

Now, before you flame me, please allow me to say I agree TOTALLY with LEGAL immigration. I better agree with legal immigration because some of my ancestors were indeed immigrants. They came here legally and quickly learned English even though that was not their first language. In other words my ancestors assimilated themselves into this society, they did NOT ask that this society assimilate itself to them.

I DO NOT, however, think it is our obligation or even in our best interest to take on just anyone and everyone that shows up at our borders. That is just plain stupid. Plus it floods the work force making it much easier for employers to get really cheap labor and our citizens suffer.

Last, but not least, has anyone bothered to mention that the 9/11 terrorists were here legally on student visas? Meaning of course that our immigrations laws need to tighten up and need to heavily screen all levels of illegal aliens as well as the supposedly legal ones who might mean us harm later. (I know there is much more to 9/211 than I'm mentioning here but I'm focusing strictly on legal and illegal immigration right now.)

So in closing, maybe I misspoken - you tell me - when I praised your comments before. I wasn't aware at that time you meant we take on all immigrants - legal or not.

How many did we take in in the 1850s?
The 1890s?
The 1930s?

We made it through those ok, and we let in a whole lot of people.

... is non-existant for most of us already, trafic is a nightmare in most major cities, I just worry a little about an open and easy immigration policy, year after year... Does that make me an unpatriotic Freeper...? Don't answer that!

There are no such limits. More people is more business. That's how we became the richest nation on earth. You're seeing scarcity, but not abundance.

One little farm that used to support 4 people can now support 300,000.

but they are problems with corporations. We need to unionize and bargain collectively for our survival.

such a mess out of this and if laws that we already have were enforced, we wouldn't be in such a mess - I'm talking about our minimum wage laws mainly. The employers should be made to pay heavy fines for paying below minimum wages no matter who does the work.

peace!

.....people would listen to simple reason but at DU that is simply NOT going to happen. Good luck my friend.

I think DU is with me on this one. :patriot:

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I am not sure which it is? Anyone know?

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/terror/articles/visa011212.htm

Three of the hijackers in the September 11 terrorist attacks obtained visas in Saudi Arabia through a brand-new program designed to make it easier for qualified visa applicants to visit the United States, an American government official said tonight.

The Visa Express program, put in place just four months before the attacks, allowed the three hijackers to arrange their visas through a State Department-designated travel agency, the official says. Fifteen of the 19 hijackers obtained their U.S. travel visas in Saudi Arabia.

... Supposedly, Hani Hanjour was here on a student visa and one other guy...

I linked to a 2001 article above your post.

... how many were here on a "student" visa... I think the answer to that was two...

I typed "student visas" when I meant visas in general. :blush:

... Visa Express program... I'd bet ten to one it still exists, just not in the middle-East...

but we also need an easy method of obtaining true citizenship, NOT a guest worker program that turns immigrants into an impoverished underclass. Or at least a guest worker program that's better than the one Bush wants. I guess there are a few things we should do:

1. Secure the border
2. Make legal immigration/citizenship easier
3. Raise minimun wage for ALL workers, citizen or guest.

Remember when the workers of the world were going to unite? Victory to the.... ah, never mind.

Come on workers! Lets get it together!

Your three points (secure border, legal ~ open citizenship / immigration , and a living wage) are well taken.:toast::patriot:

:7 :bounce:

So what do you think we should do about the people who are ALREADY here illegally?

why is amnesty such a bad word?:shrug:

I don't know why it's such a bad word. It's not a bad IDEA.... But I think that Republicans might actually have something against the word itself, possibly because having an 'n' directly after an 'm' confuses them. Even if it's referring to something else, they have an instinctive fear of the word. In fact, I met one the other day who called Amnesty International a terrorist organization.:spray:

them and habitat for humanity... why ain't it habitat for merikans... :toast:

Because that's what the Minuteman on Colbert said last night.

No death penalty for anyone. ever. Not even Rove.

(I agree with a secure border. that much the minutemen and I share

And the four states that still have Bush at 50% or above approval.

Fair is fair.

:+

network that partners with our own. I am also for open immigration with Canada.

I would not support a wall with canada, as it would not be practical.:graybox:

But not the four states.

:evilgrin:

will be another thread. :)

:)

I would agree with you.

I worry about the traffiking of people across the border. The idea of tens of thousands of immigrants sold into slavery each year is heart rending.

of illegals.

People wont need to pay a coyote to get in if legal immigration is more efficient.

The only reason you can't unionize them NOW is because they're illegal.

:patriot::toast:

:D

1 - Seal & militarize the border & major entry points.

2 - Expel all illegal residents.

3 - Shoot & kill those who try to enter without the proper documentation.


The racist "Minutemen" want to turn America into a totalitarian nation, requiring people to prove their citizenship before they buy a loaf of bread.

will check in later :patriot:

An undocumented worker has no rights,and an employer knows that and takes advantage. The only way a worker will have at least a semblance of fair treatment is for that worker to be legal. I'm with you all the way. Legal immigration is good; illegal immigration is bad for the worker, good for the corporation. I am not for blanket amnesty--all that does is create an unfair advantage for Mexicans and Canadians who managed to sneak in this country by waltzing across the border. I have so many relatives that had to wait years to come to this country legally, and for that, they appreciate and treasure their citizenship here. It's a very touchy issue--- of course I have compassion for those seeking a better life, but we have to set boundaries somewhere, for the safety of us all.

:patriot: point taken about the minutemen

The only question you must keep asking yourself is; when do the guards keep us in more than they keep others out.

I'm sure on the world market that they are worth a lot more than the $2,000 that Kennedy-McMain is going to sell them for.

it was open to whoever had the passion and talent to work.

I hate people who ask "should we have open borders?" What are open borders? What are closed borders? The bordcers of the USSR? Our being the open space where anyone could come is the direct cause of our being the richest nation on earth!

:toast:

And, how do you keep Terra-ists from walking over the hill?

so how do you support them? They are racist thugs.

which would be unnecessary if the USA enforced the laws and allowed for open immigration.

'patroling' our border is a good thing? These are not trained law enforcement people. Anyone who has a desire could go and sit by the border with their weapon of choice. I live in the southern border area and did hear rumors last year that while all eyes (Border Patrol AND press) were on the Naco/Douglas border area, the most violent offshoot of the 'minutemen' were elsewhere along the border causing much more trouble than was reported in the press. And you support them??

I was under the impression that they were doing that because the government wasn't. I would give them (and the 9-11-01 families) what they want - a secure border. Then I would make immigration simple, and legal, for all.

game on.

but NOT the minutemen, whose code-worded rhetoric reminds me of the klan

night sweeps

quarantine camps prior to ''repatriation''


increased budget for secret ins searches

more spying on americans


:woohoo: