Proof that some anti illegals are racist to the core: check this peach out

Mothers Against Illegal Aliens' founder: job of illegal immigrants' children is "to dumb down the American children and overpopulate our schools"

Summary: On Fox News' Your World, Michelle Dallacroce, the founder of Mothers Against Illegal Aliens, asserted that there is no reason "that we have to have" immigrant women and children in the United States, since there are no jobs for "the women and the children do ... other than their children's job is to dumb down the American children and overpopulate our schools."

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you can watch this delightful woman here....isn't she just so charming? Makes me proud to be her fellow citizen.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200605190012?src=clip200605190012

I'm thinking there's a word missing right after "Mother".

*wink*

and use it in front of her when she's being, um, herself.

Dumbing down, my pasty, flabby old ass.

These xenophobic twits will always be with us, alas. The best we can do is isolate them through ridicule.

do?--sit in an apartment watching TV-or on the streetcorner? They are here cause they came with parents (legal or illegal)--School is where they should be.

I guess they don't mind if these kids just run the streets instead of being in school dumbing down our kids!

hmmm - In school OR hanging out by my car??

Tough choice. LOL

Many people in D.C. setting policy are suspect too.

If they get away with it, shame on us.

I left an oppressive country and became a LEGAL immigrant in another country. My almost twenty year career dealt with ID Fraud. Much of the ID fraud was committed by illegal immigrants.
Lately I have been following CNN's Lou Dobbs. He presents facts of the effects of illegal aliens have on America. One fact that alarmed and disturbed me was that there are many illegals using America citizens Social Security numbers fraudulently, many of them are American children's numbers. So who feels sorry for these legal citizen children?

The fact is that ID fraud is a horrible blow to one's identity and economic situation. It takes many months, if not years to clear up the fraud on one's good name.

Illegals are not the only ones who do ID Fraud. The Mossad has been caught using Identities of Canadians (proven - one was used in a fake passport to commit an assassination) and the latest, about a year ago, the Mossad was caught using a paraplegic New Zealand citizens for fake Passports.

Go to a country and legally apply for citizenship or to work there. Have you read the requirements that Mexico has put out for American's to work there. Wow oh wow. You have to give your fingerprints several times with other tough cookie regulations.

Illegal is Illegal. It hurts everyone. It IS hurting the education system in the USA. The only thing illegal aliens help is that it sends back about 2 billion US dollars back to Mexico and the American employer hiring them gets cheap labour and pays no benefits.

Why not sanctions be put on Mexico to curb this problem? The USA government is so quick to have them put on other countries. This issue is hurting America immensely.

To be against illegals is not being racist.

Which seems to be the case here.

Rounded up any Canucks lately?

Passed any laws making German (By percentage the largest
group of immigrants to the U.S.) the "official" language?

Seen Dub riding on a SnowJob Mobile?

No, no. They need to call it what it is....they are against Mexican immigration, pure and simple.

There are many, many illegals here in the building trades with names like Seamus and Padraig, and they ain't Mexican.

there are tons of illegal Irish immigrants in the Boston area, NYC, and Chicago. In my area, most of them work in the building trades. There are lots of Eastern Europeans here illegally also. Most of them are fair skinned and look like white america. The MSM only shows the 'brown' immigrants in order to stir up racism.

It's all the Rovians know.

I'd think their committing treason for political reasons would've
taught everyone.

I was wrong.

Sure, illegal immigration is a problem which I think the U.S. is
capable of dealing with, but, not now and not by blaming it on the
Latinos alone.

The Arabs aren't working for that purpose any more? Amazing. We've recovered from 911 then.

It is that simple for me.

Now how about some facts you are apparently unaware of:

1. The reason they are here illegally is the rules were changed and it is nearly impossible to immigrate legally from any Central American country. You can come here legally from Europe, Asia, even South America much more easily than from Mexico or Honduras, etc. A RACIST policy attempts to keep them out. But it is obviously not working. hmmm I wonder why they just don't change the policy? Make it just as hard for Europeans to come here. Then maybe we would sit down and solve this problem fairly once and for all.

2. Undocumented workers make $6 BILLION a year in contributions to Social Security. And since they are ineligible to receive any benefits, they are actually HELPING the Social Security system stay out of the red.

3. I am a teacher in a largely Hispanic school and I can assure you these children are NOT hurting the education system. That is baloney. How can exposing our American kids to different cultures, helping them learn to get along with kids who are different and teaching them a new language be considered harmful? Harmful would be depriving our kids of these experiences.

4. Just because you don't feel like a racist when you speak out against immigration doesn't mean you don't SOUND like one. You are siding with racists like the Minutemen, the KKK and this woman on the video in the OP. You really want to be on their side? Not me - not in a million years.

My mother's been dem since the '40s when she could register. Belongs to NOW--helped organize the Baltimore chapter, a feminist from way back. Did fundraising for a battered woman's shelter. Active in her local dem party. A big Kerry supporter, although she thought he was more conservative than the Democratic Party should have nominated; she hates * and the Iraq war, neocons, privatization of anything.

On almost every issue but race (as far as it involves blacks), she'd be a good DUer, even to the left of the general population here.

But she's a racist. Mexicans are all fine, hardworking people. There are some bad Jews, but mostly not; the way she talks sometimes makes her sound anti-semitic, but a question or two clears that up. She has no views on Arabs. But she hates "n****rs". Vehemently. They're stupid, dirty, shifty, lazy and all they do is sit around collecting welfare when they're not either raping or pillaging. There are some good ones, a credit to their race.

Racists are on both sides of every issue. They simply tend to be more common on one side. That by itself doesn't falsify their arguments. It just makes arguing more ... strident.

and have roots in the south. And this is not an unusual stance. My grandmother thought JFK walked on water but she was as racist as they come.

I had decided it was a generational thing and this kind of racism would gradually fade away. But now that immigration is such a big issue, I see racism once again rearing its ugly head among Democrats. Sad.

"I left an oppressive country and became a LEGAL immigrant in another country. My almost twenty year career dealt with ID Fraud. Much of the ID fraud was committed by illegal immigrants.
Lately I have been following CNN's Lou Dobbs. He presents facts of the effects of illegal aliens have on America. One fact that alarmed and disturbed me was that there are many illegals using America citizens Social Security numbers fraudulently, many of them are American children's numbers. So who feels sorry for these legal citizen children?"

I'd say "truthy-nessyiness" is just about right.

Wouldn't using their parents' number have a worse effect on family finances?

I guess terrorists are stealing social security numbers any more. No need to worry about them now.

What harm is a Mexican farmer worker who doesn't even speak English going to do with a SS number besides use it to apply for a job? Genuine identity theft involves a lot more than that. I've known 2 people who were victimized by identity theft -- in one case, someone seems to have stolen some of her mail, and in the other, she left her wallet on the counter of a store. Both perpetrators were Americans, and they were interested in cash and credit cards and checkbooks.

Surely as a self-proclaimed expert in the field, he or she has links to professional organizations, trade journals, and the like, and can back up these statements with some type of evidence.

on St. Patrick's Day. I don't put much stock into Lou Dobb's opinion.

After 911 everyone because pissy about illegals having driver's licenses/state ids, which states issued to people on their own terms without regard to immigration status (because that's the feds' job).

Now that they can't get a driver's license, it makes identify theft all the more likely.

Though I still think identity theft is a bogeyman meant to scare us into a police state - the national ID card is necessary to a police state and so they stir up fear of ID theft to get people to want it.

Illegals don't hurt anybody just by being here. If they "cost" anything, it is miniscule and likely to be less than the cost of deporting them or of having more border agents.

:shrug:

Or is she just talking about Latinos?

It's a crying shame the Native Americans didn't have a strict
immigration policy.

Nor can the majority even find Louisiana or Iraq on a map. That isn't the fault of Latinos.

I can check to see if they are dumbing the rest of the kids down. I'll get back to you next week.

:hi: Scout!

Do you mean anyone who supports any restriction on immigration?
Do you believe that anyone that believes immigration needs to be regulated
is a racist?

How about "pro-legal immigration"?

You are correct. Restrictions should be put on for the sake of the citizens of the country. Illegality puts a huge financial burden on the country. If one is illegal in entering and staying in a country, one will also do other illegal things, like using other person's social security numbers. Think of it. Legal immigrants and citizens pay ALL taxes due. Sales tax doesn't count. A minimal social security tax for working under a false name is a pittance. Going to a hospital and getting treatment and leaving an outstanding bill with a false name is fraud. One can go on and on . Illegal is just plain wrong.

this is not about the pros and cons of illegal immigration. i believe we need restrictions...all I wanna know is why there isn't a big old wall being built on the northern border? Hmmmmm????

Maybe Harper should consider this very seriously.

Well, better get your bricks and get building. I sure don't want my tax dollars wasted on that.

Of course, I must believe this because I'm a racist, and hate Mexicans,
not because Canadians have exhibited little incentive to
illegally immigrate to America. :sarcasm:

could come across the northern border and into the United States. Not everyone who comes across the southern border is Mexican. People from South America also cross there. If we have a wall on the south, will we also be building a wall on the north.

Today, Mr kt and I were watching Fahrenheit 9/11. If you saw it, you might recall the section about Homeland Security in regards to the Oregon trooper who was the only trooper in Oregon patrolling the Oregon coastline. If we wall up the southern and northern borders, then people who are desperate to get here will begin coming in along the coastlines (others will attempt to jump the wall or tunnel under it.)

The thought also crossed my mind that this will only increase the number of people who take advantage of the desperation from those trying to get to the United States and there will be an increase in the number of human smugglers, possibly causing a humanitarian crisis and more people die die to the smugglers negligence.

with no easy answers.
What do you think we should do?

response, because it is, like you said,a frustrating issue. No matter what I suggest, there will be scores of people telling me different reasons why my thoughts are incorrect or why my idea wouldn't work. And unless they are seeped in racism, the response would probably be justified. I don't think there is one clear cut right answer. There are many reasons why people come to this country illegally. I can not imagine all the reasons, and since I do not work in this field, I have no official knowledge. All I have to draw on are my experience and my gut reactions.

I personally feel building walls is a waste of taxpayers dollars. I think making people federal criminals and anyone who assists them (like ministers, health care workers and teachers- I'm a teacher) federal criminals is not the answer. As a teacher, I've never turned in a student's family and I never intend upon doing so. I think I'd rather do time in jail before sending my students back to a desperate situation in their home country. It would be the ultimate betrayal to my students. I often know their personal lives and I know sending them back would be devastating, traumatizing and possibly fatal.

I completely acknowledge that we must deal with immigration. At this current time, I do not think this country is addressing the real issue. For the minutemen and others, this has become a rallying cry for racists. That does not imply that everyone who has a problem with illegal immigration is a racist. When I am meaning is that there are those who are using this as a divisive issue to wedge the voters. Until we can quite the race baiters and have an actual conversation about what is driving these people from their home countries, what role America plays in the situation that has driven them from home (for example, are we launching economic sanctions that are starving the poor) and what role they play as immigrants into America (such as corporate abuse and our current batch of "leaders" looking the other way), no one is getting a true look at what the real situation is.

LOL!

By those standards maybe we should deport all of the CEOs.

I am guessing NONE. Here's the deal - they don't want to get caught and sent back. So they stay as low profile and under the radar as they can get.

They DO pay taxes. And they don't file for refunds.

Where do you get the idea that sales tax doesn't count? Does that mean when I go shopping today I can say I don't want to pay sales tax? You know, since it doesn't count? LOL

on construction sites. They do not pay the taxes that I do. I have to have a Contractors License, Contractors insurance, and pay other fees like building permits because I have a license and can buy them, Overhead, Advertising and much more.
Yet they compete with me and charge the same prices. Don't think for one minute they are paid below minimun wage that is bullshit I know for a fact they don't.
So please don't try and sell me that sales tax crap.
Is your job threatened by Illegals? I bet not.
Next I will hear all about the prices I will pay for vegetables or house cleaning and be called names.

Respectfully submitted:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Maestro/17

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Maestro/3

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Maestro/29 (another racist jumping on the anti-immigrant bandwagon; see below for the actual costs of deporting undocumented workers annually)

See also these external links.

Southern Poverty Law Center

Article from 1994 by David Cole

Econonic Impact of Immigration (legal and illegal) Summary: Any negative benefits of driving down wages are only, at most, 4-5% and many times virtually disappear. More detailed explanations at link.

Statement by Rep. Luis V Gutierrez This is a great read!

Of course we could just throw away more money to build a fence. :eyes: http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014871.html

But we still allow the 59 million bush voters to stay. Stupid is just plain wrong. They are stripping my children of their education by enacting NCLB. Stupidity is just plain wrong. They are putting people on the back of the bus by denying the LGBT community their rights to full legal marriage and all the rights that accompany marriage. Stupidity is just plain wrong. We are killing innocent people all over the world with the PNAC internal adventures we're currently on by invading countries and saber rattling.

Let's just blame off the stupid people for our problems and not deal with the reality of life. Theory is nice, but reality is what is actually happening.

Why does sales tax not count? It is, after all, a tax, quite important to local and state budgets, and paid over with every purchase by every purchaser. For that matter, why does the FICA tax paid not count, particularly as no payment will ever be made from the Social Security Administration to an illegal immigrant from whose wage it is deducted?

By the way, that is a beautiful beast; it is my very favorite color for a cat.

other illegal acts is questionable, but some of it comes with the territory. None of it is murder and mayhem.

US citizens sometimes commit crimes. That's a bigger problem than mere immigration violators.

And that has been the same for a long time, so the sudden interest is rather suspicious, but I put that down to Bushco needing a distraction.

Also, the set of restrictions we have are from 1952, highly nonsensical in the modern world. We need an overhaul to make it something along the lines of what they have in Canada - pick the people who are most interesting in becoming Americans, rather than a random set of people lucky enough to be related to the right people. There are a few employment based immigrants, but they are quota'd even if needed (as proven to the Department of Labor) and they aren't necessarily interested in living in the US for life, just for the job. Yet we go through all the rigmarole of making them permanent residents, because that is the only way they can stay (given the quotas on H visas and the ridiculous 6 year limit per person on them).

AYE, CHIHUAHUA!!! :rofl:

It'd be a shame if there were a mess on the carpet.

:)

But just look who she keeps company with. Bwahaha!!! OH, PAT... could you get any louder?! :rofl:

I closed my eyes for a few seconds. I could still see the color of the jacket Pat Boone is wearing in that photo.

She's just against the lack of sweatshops here for the women and children.

But once the Christotaliban take over, they will remedy that.









All these photos were taken in America.

http://images.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/childlabor/&h=415&w=579&sz=86&tbnid=LFiJM41zk924xM:&tbnh=94&tbnw=132&hl=en&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522child%2Blabor%2522%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN

And, evenutally, won.

We need to know more history, to make sure it is not repeated.

Yes! Brown people deserve to provide for the families the best way they can! Let's give them the wonderful opportunity of working in a Sweatshop.

Isn't that the shrub's basic idea? Come here, work for our corporations at a low wage and then go home when we're through with you?

See, they're all for the downtrodden. They're Compassionate Conservatives!






There is dealing with the reality of illegal immigration by acknowledging why they are here and what contributions they're actually making to our society. There is dealing with this in a way that will most benefit the illegal immigrant and the country they are in... and then there are the Minutemen and this lovely Michelle.

But hey, this whole immigration argument isn't a racial issue - not at all! :sarcasm:

racism is everywhere. You are not saying all people against illegal imigration are racists are you?

element there even If it's subconscious. That being said everyone does have prejudices of one sort or another, but we really should try to find out where our feelings are coming from in this issue.

In the latest Scientific American there is an article by a scientist, Mahzarin Banaji, who has devised a test to determine the extent of our xenophobias. She is of Indian ethnicity and admits to having prejudices ingrained in her from her own culture that she has to be aware of.

Here's a website that tests your prejudices:

http://www.implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/

The article is "The Implicit Prejudice" by Sally Lehrman.

poppycock propagandy

a laughing stock among my friends, who are not all hispanic.

her kids.

Oh, the problems she has!

:nopity::nopity::nopity:

:nopity::nopity::nopity:

Do we now believe there is no distinction between being a citizen and not? And several of you haven't been keeping up with current events --- illegal aliens are going to get paid social security benefits now. Yep, even though the system is running bankrupt and it won't be there for many of us still paying into it for a number of years to come.

It is not about racism or skin color. The Mexican border is the emphasis because millions of people are crossing the border illegally from there, and many of them are "OTM"'s -- Other Than Mexican. The effect on this country is profound. It is bringing America to its knees. Perhaps that is as it should be, that citizens of one country (ours) should not be treated any differently than anybody else flocking to the "land of opportunity."

I am tired of hearing people say it isn't hurting anything and that anybody who thinks it is is a racist. You are not bothering to look at any of the facts which conflict with your 'feelings' and you will just have to see with your own eyes what happens next. Perhaps you have a child in school yourself? Maybe your child will come home with turberculosis from the son or daughter of an illegal alien. Maybe alot of people will get turberculosis and all the other uncontrolled contageous diseases that people have who come gushing over the border by the millions, serving your food in the restaurants, sneezing or coughing as you pass them on the street or stand behind you at the grocery checkout line.

Maybe there used to be some sane reasons for having controlled immigration and guarded borders, maybe it was not because anybody is afraid of 'brown-skinned people' --- and maybe none of us deserve to live any better than all the people coming over here --- BECAUSE it CAN NOT be sustained anyway with the huge influx of people every year. It will drag the wages down of all you self-righteous people who think it won't affect anything, to have illegal aliens come over and get a foothold here taking jobs nobody else will take (translate that to: taking jobs at illegal wages that are less than minimum wage that employers can get away with paying because America looks the other way and pretends it sees nothing going on here.)

As to the schools dumbing kids down, yes it is true, but it's not all due to illegal immigration, and we already have, as was pointed out here, a generation of parents who were churned out of the same school system and have not even spent any time in school looking at a map -- of the United States, never mind the WORLD.

We are ALL going to feel the effects of this, and ESPECIALLY our children as they grow up into a different world of opportunity than the one WE were born into. But that's okay. It's only fair.

But don't call it racist. That is bullshit.

There certainly isn't one "PC" opinion. It is a very emotional topic, so there will be some inflammatory remarks made by some, but the vast majority of DUers are capable of a mature exchange of ideas.

"I am tired of hearing people say it isn't hurting anything and that anybody who thinks it is is a racist. You are not bothering to look at any of the facts which conflict with your 'feelings' and you will just have to see with your own eyes what happens next. Perhaps you have a child in school yourself? Maybe your child will come home with turberculosis from the son or daughter of an illegal alien. Maybe alot of people will get turberculosis and all the other uncontrolled contageous diseases that people have who come gushing over the border by the millions, serving your food in the restaurants, sneezing or coughing as you pass them on the street or stand behind you at the grocery checkout line."

There have been books and journal articles written about these attitudes towards immigrants 50, 75, 100 years ago. I could find almost IDENTICAL quotes about immigrants from southern and eastern Europe in the early 20th century.

Wow. Everything old really is new again.

Ms. Cleo, the fact that contageous diseases that were virtually wiped out in our country are spreading like crazy again is not an 'attitude' about certain races. It is simply something that is happening.

I have seen no one answer my question in my post, anyway, which was, do you all WANT just totally open borders?

Let's get another thing straight, I am not against IMMIGRATION. From anywhere, so long as they have done it LEGALLY.

The problem is our very own government wants this influx of people in here to do dirt-cheap labor, because our government is run by the corporations who benefit from having lots of available cheap labor.

Our very own citizens do not even want to see our own borders protected.

And it's Clio, not Cleo.

You have absolutely no evidence to prove any of the things you are saying. If you do, provide some reputable links (and here's a hint: CIS is not considered a reputable source). In the meantime, do some reading:

Silent Travelers : Germs, Genes, and the Immigrant Menace
by Alan M. Kraut

Fear of the "other" has long been part of life in America. Historian Kraut chronicles that

fear as it manifests itself as fear of contamination by new immigrants. He describes how

health policy was and is used to segregate communities and to exclude classes of people from

entry into the United States. In particular, he looks closely at tuberculosis, cholera, and

bubonic plague and at the institutional and governmental response to health crises. Kraut

also emphasizes the importance of culturally relevant medicine and how it has come into

conflict with the desire to Americanize the immigrants. These are important issues today,

when tuberculosis and AIDS are often viewed as outsider's diseases, as when Haitians were

singled out as a nation of AIDS carriers.


The Foreignness of Germs: The Persistent Association of Immigrants and Disease in American
Society
Howard Markel and Alexandra Minna Stern
The Milbank Quarterly
December 2002
Volume 80 Issue 4


This has nothing to do with "open borders" and everything to do with nativism and xenophobia.

On edit: And the reason TB is making a comeback has nothing to do with "illegal aliens" -- it's because it has developed resistance to most antibiotics.

ancestors came.

citizen? That IS racist, come to think of it.

And immigrants have to go through a medical exam to make sure they don't have TB, so that actually is an argument for making Mexican migration legal, so they go through that test.

Either/or thinking at its most extreme.

Yeah, right, this woman is stupid. Therefore we are saying that there should be no controls on immigration.

"Michelle Dallacroce, the founder of Mothers Against Illegal Aliens, asserted that there is no reason "that we have to have" immigrant women and children in the United States"

No immigrants in her family history.

These people are such morans.