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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 06:32 AM
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How accurate are the unemployment figures?
I keep hearing about how close to full employment we are. I assume that they get their figures from those who apply for unemployment benefits. I'm unemployed but because I was working on a grant for a while, I am not eligible for unemployment compensation. How many others are there like me who are unemployed but are not or are no longer eligible for that "official" status afforded them by virture of the fact they are receiving those benefits. Is there anyway to get at the true employment figure.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 06:39 AM
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1. Economists prefer the statistic 'number of employed' rather than unemp.
because a lot of folks out of work don't qualify as 'unemployed' and others' status as 'unemployed' expires even though they are still out of work. So, it doesn't cover some long-term unemployed folks.
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Epiphany4z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 06:46 AM
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2. I have to wonder
If the employment numbers are so good why are people yelling about how the illegals are taking all our jobs?

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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 06:46 AM
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3. Not at all.
They have screwed around with the manner in which they are calculated so that they have zero credibility. Unemployment is much, much higher than they will admit.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 06:52 AM
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4. Correct.
Those unemployed for extended periods, young people who have not secured jobs, the under-employed, and self-employed are all examples of groups that are below the radar.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 07:20 AM
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8. Yes, a good friend of mine is "under" employed
He was making a good $75,000 to $80,000 per year at his old job, got laid off in 2003, and did a few odd jobs after his unemployment ran out, and finally found a full time job a few months back that pays him like $30,000 or so. He was only listed as one of the unemployed from when he got laid off in late 2003 until 12 months later in late 2004. So, for the end of 2004 and all of 2005, he was off the map & uncounted when it came to being counted as unemployed.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 07:20 AM
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9. I think this is true. This WH is really bad about that.
Like we have the budget and then the other budget for the war, we have numbers changed for people going into the service, and I guess if I spent some time thinking about it I could recall other things like this. You get to the point that you do not believe one thing they tell you any more.
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brmdp3123 Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 07:36 AM
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11. Do you have sources for this?
There are problems with the way unemployment is figured, but I'm not aware of any changes in the procedure for several decades.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 10:07 AM
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15. They have certainly revised the method of calculation.
It involves the use of the Establishment survey and the Household survey. The DOL BLS offers this explanation: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.tn.htm Here is a good explanation by a person who used to post here a lot. http://forums.backpage.com/showthread.php?t=5461
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 07:02 AM
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5. Off by a factor of 2
at least
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 07:12 AM
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6. Thank Bill Clinton
I have no idea why but he changed how unemployment is calculated so that less inner city residents were counted. The actual unemployment rate right now is about 7.2%.
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 07:15 AM
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7. Those who have run out of benefits
are no longer considered 'unemployed' (they just don't exist). The government is no longer tracking employment statistics on women. Young people trying for that first -real- job are not 'unemployed' (they just don't exist, either). Anyone not eligible for unemployment benefits (part-timers, temps, etc) are neither employed nor unemployed. (they just don't exist)

Our union looked at it and estimated that if the true numbers were counted, unemployment among the white majority would be 26% at a minimum. Minority unemployment figures would be closer to (if not over) 50%.

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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 07:24 AM
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10. So how can we get these stats put forward? * and the Rs seem to
tout that 4% unemployment figure all the time and no one disputes it. Maybe there needs to be an ad or some effort for Dems to dispute this figure publicly.
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 08:41 AM
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13. The same way we try to get the public
to pay attention to what's really happening in other areas.

IOW, we don't.

As long as the media is controlled from the Bush family compound, the truth will never make it to the average person just trying to 'put food on his/her family'.

Funny, isn't it, how you can work 3 or 4 part time jobs, be falling over from exhaustion, unable to see a doctor when you're sick, worry about paying the rent, utilities and buying food and still not be counted as either employed or unemployed. Gives rise to a whole lot of 'why bother? I'm invisible either way'.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 08:31 AM
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12. This is what Everyone must read >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"GOVERNMENT ECONOMIC REPORTS: THINGS YOU'VE
SUSPECTED BUT WERE AFRAID TO ASK!"

A Series Authored by Walter J. "John" Williams

"Employment and Unemployment Reporting"
(Part Two in a Series of Five)

August 24, 2004

http://www.gillespieresearch.com/cgi-bin/bgn/article/id=341

Household Survey (also Current Population Survey) -- The household survey generates the unemployment rate from a statistically designed monthly sampling of roughly 60,000 households. Other surveys, such as the annual poverty survey, often are piggybacked on the employment questions. The survey measures the number of people who have jobs.

Payroll Survey (also Establishment or Current Employment Statistics Survey) -- The payroll survey generates an estimate of the number of nonfarm jobs in the U.S. economy, based on a monthly non-random sampling of payroll tax filings of about 160,000 U.S. corporations and government agencies. The survey measures the number of jobs (some individuals hold more than one job).

The household survey is conducted during the week that includes the 12th of the month. The payroll survey is conducted as of the payroll period that includes the 12th of the month. Other than for seasonal factors, the household survey gets revised only with series or population redefinition. The payroll series is revised for two months following the initial release and then again in an annual benchmark revision.

Where the household survey includes farm workers, the self-employed and workers in private homes, the payroll survey does not. The payroll survey counts jobs, making no adjustment for multiple jobholders. Yet, adjusting for all differences, the BLS never has been able to reconcile the two series within one million jobs.

...


MUCH more at the link and that I *really* recommend everyone read.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 09:22 AM
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14. UNDER-Reported. Reported - U3: 4.8%, Underplayed - U6: 8.5%
Edited on Sun May-21-06 09:30 AM by mcscajun
March 2006 Unemployment figures, Not seasonally adjusted:

U3: 4.8%

U6: 8.5%


http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

U6 is the measure that takes into account the long-term unemployed and underemployed. It portrays the truth of our employment situation, not the gloss government likes to put on it.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) maintains six unemployment figures, U-1 through U-6, but the media only report U-3. The most inclusive figure, U-6, the BLS defines as "Total unemployed, plus all marginally attached workers, plus total employed part time for economic reasons, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus all marginally attached workers" where the following definitions apply:

Marginally attached workers are persons who currently are neither working nor looking for work but indicate that they want and are available for a job and have looked for work sometime in the recent past.

Discouraged workers, a subset of the marginally attached, have given a job-market related reason for not currently looking for a job.

Persons employed part time for economic reasons are those who want and are available for full-time work but have had to settle for a part-time schedule.

http://www.underreported.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1092
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