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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:24 PM
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TruthOut, Investigative Internet News Source, says Cheney may be target
Truthout, in an attempt to clarify their embarrassing story of a week or so ago, reports today that they believe Fitzgerald may have expanded his investigation to include Vice-President Cheney. This is reported as "theory" at this time but they conclude from their on-going investigation that this may be what is happening at this time.
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http://forum.truthout.org/blog/story/2006/5/21/115826/135

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We know that we have now three independent sources confirming that attorneys for Karl Rove were handed an indictment either late in the night of May 12 or early in the morning of May 13. We know that each source was in a position to know what they were talking about. We know that the office of Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald will not confirm, will not deny, will not comment on its investigation or on our report. We know that both Rove's attorney Robert Luskin and Rove's spokesman Mark Corallo have categorically denied all key facts we have set forth. We know we have information that directly contradicts Luskin and Corallo's denials. We know that there were two network news crews outside of the building in Washington, DC that houses the offices of Patton Boggs, the law firm that represents Karl Rove. We know that the 4th floor of that building (where the Patton Boggs offices are located) was locked down all day Friday and into Saturday night. We know that we have not received a request for a retraction from anyone. And we know that White House spokesman Tony Snow now refuses to discuss Karl Rove - at all

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Further - and again this is "What We Believe" - Rove may be turning state's evidence. We suspect that the scope of Fitzgerald's investigation may have broadened - clearly to Cheney - and according to one "off the record source" to individuals and events not directly related to the outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame. We believe that the indictment which does exist against Karl Rove is sealed. Finally, we believe that there is currently a great deal of activity in the Plame investigation
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billybob537 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:25 PM
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1. It may be taking this long
Becouse Rove is cutting a deal to sell out Dick Death and Chimpster.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:26 PM
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2. Been hoping that all along
Ya know he is gonna fight telling much, but ya also know he doesn't wanna risk not being pardoned and ending up in jail.

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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:43 PM
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5. If Dick Cheney gets indicted Bush won't be likely to pardon Rove.
I would not want to be in Carl Rover's shoes right now. Would Rove adopt the same stance of Judith Miller?
I think he is clever enough to work out some kind of way to save his hide even if he has to make some difficult choices having to do with self preservation and allegiance/loyalty.

I wonder how he will toss Dick and Bush under the bus, and still get pardoned? Good question.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:47 PM
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8. You hit on why it takes time
Edited on Sun May-21-06 02:50 PM by havocmom
Takes time to get an escape route planned after sending Dick up the river. ;) Time and probably plastic surgery. Dick is at least as harsh as the worst mob boss.

edited to add: also time to convince Fritz what you offer is good enough that they will shred any indictment against Rove all together. That way, no need for pardon. Fritz strikes me as one to play hard in plea negotiations. Rove will have to give a lot to get away clean. Then, he will have to travel a lot to stay alive.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:35 PM
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4. Rove or Cheney that's a tough one.
Can we feed both of them to the Lions?
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 03:31 PM
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23. wouldn't work, animals don't touch anything rotten
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 03:06 PM
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17. Rove and Cheney are the two most powerful men in the govt.
Scalia probably worked out a deal with Cheney so that just leaves Rove to play his hand. I bet he won't have to sit under any airplane wheels for a looonnnngggg time. :evilgrin:
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 03:21 PM
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21. The pig squealed. I knew there was a problem when that article
Edited on Sun May-21-06 03:22 PM by caledesi
came out about the dick, Cheney writing in the margins. I think that changed the whole landscape for Fitz, KKKarl and TO. I hope TO is vindicated.

edit: usual stuff
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:34 PM
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3. This Salon interview shows they're sticking to their story.
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/


It takes a lot to make me give up. I can wait forever. After all, what else is there?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:51 PM
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10. Only when Fitzgerald steps in front of the microphones again
Edited on Sun May-21-06 02:52 PM by DoYouEverWonder
will we know who was right and who was wrong.

However, this is the scenario that I predicted last week. That the focus had switched to Cheney and that if Rove had been indicted it was under seal, until Fitzgerald is ready to present evidence either to indict Cheney or name him an unindicted co-conspirator.

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:46 PM
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6. I find it odd
Edited on Sun May-21-06 02:47 PM by mmonk
that the attacks that followed CBS and their story concerning bush and the guard are not present or at least not very vocal concerning the truthout story.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:53 PM
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11. Not odd at all, if the attack dogs in the CBS case were the ones
who made the counterfeit letters Rather used. The facts were all correct, but the letter was a forgery. The attack dogs were after CBS/Rather as soon as they showed a shot of the document on screen for all of a few seconds. Amazing the attack dogs could tell it was a forgery in that time on TV ... well, not so amazing if they knew ahead of time it was not the original article.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 03:10 PM
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19. Hmm, I thought the issue was that the memo
which was a copy not an original, was distorted in fax transmission. Mary Mapes, in her book on this incident, shows the memo as it was and as it looked after being faxed. The difference was startling.

Mapes also said that she never claimed she was 100% the memo was authentic because it was a copy. Her argument was one of preponderance of evidence. She explains all of this in her book.
The memo was never proved to be a forgery.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:54 PM
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13. Are you serious?
CBS and Dan Rather are some of the most trusted news sources in America, everyone knows who they are, when something goes wrong there, all hell breaks loose.

Truthout is a small website, and most people have no idea this controversy even exists.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 03:03 PM
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15. Yes, I'm serious because what's on the blogs
concerning this makes it way on some "news" shows. I'm fully aware of the visibility of Rather and CBS, but they attack all challegers if for nothing else, the chance to dismiss them.
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LA lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:47 PM
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7. Link broken?
I can't get the link to work
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:48 PM
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9. I think they are getting slammed
I was on it a bit ago, but can't connect now.
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Kerry fan Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:58 PM
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14. Johnny, "I was on it a bit ago, but can't connect now."
Same here. Went to the site and copied and pasted the article into a notebook, but can't get back. Went to the main page fine, but, no sign of the article. ??
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:54 PM
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12. THE CURSE OF DICK CHENEY...... (bwa ha ha ha... BWA ha ha ha!)
This article from Rolling Stone is an oldie but a goodie. It's got a nice beat, and I sure can dance to it!

The Cheney jinx first manifested itself at the presidential level back in 1969, when Richard Nixon appointed him to his first job in the executive branch. It surfaced again in 1975, when Gerald Ford made Cheney his chief of staff and then -- with Cheney's help -- lost the 1976 election. George H.W. Bush, having named Cheney secretary of defense, was defeated for re-election in 1992. The ever-canny Ronald Reagan was the only Republican president since Eisenhower who managed to serve two full terms. He is also the only one not to have appointed Dick Cheney to office.

This pattern of misplaced confidence in Cheney, followed by disastrous results, runs throughout his life -- from his days as a dropout at Yale to the geopolitical chaos he has helped create in Baghdad. Once you get to know his history, the cycle becomes clear: First, Cheney impresses someone rich or powerful, who causes unearned wealth and power to be conferred on him. Then, when things go wrong, he blames others and moves on to a new situation even more advantageous to himself.

"Cheney's manner and authority of voice far outstrip his true abilities," says Chas Freeman, who served under Bush's father as ambassador to Saudi Arabia. "It was clear from the start that Bush required adult supervision -- but it turns out Cheney has even worse instincts. He does not understand that when you act recklessly, your mistakes will come back and bite you on the ass."

Cheney's record of mistakes begins in 1959, when Tom Stroock, a Republican politician-businessman in Casper, Wyoming, got Cheney, then a senior at Natrona County High School, a scholarship to Yale. "Dick was the all-American boy, in the top ten percent of his class," Stroock says. "He seemed a natural." But instead of triumphing, Cheney failed. "He spent his time partying with guys who loved football but weren't varsity quality," recalls Stephen Billings, an Episcopalian minister who roomed with him during Cheney's freshman (and only full) year at Yale. "His idea was, you didn't need to master the material," says his other roommate, Jacob Plotkin. "He passed one psych course without attending class or studying, and he was proud of that. But there are some things you can't bluff, and Dick reached a point where you couldn't recover."


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/6450422/the_curse_of_dick_cheney
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Klimmer Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 03:03 PM
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16. I think that is a given, having seen the Cheney notes on the Joe Wilson
Op-ed piece has been posted on Patrick Fitzgerald's official site. If personal notes written in Cheney's own handwriting on an Op-ed piece, an article blowing out of the water one of the prime reasons/made-up excuses the BCF had in trying to justify going to war with Iraq, and then writting attack like Qs in the margins of the article about Joe Wilson, isn't incriminating --- then what is?

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/legal_proceedings.html

See the beginning of exhibits A - F:
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/documents/2006_05_12_newspaper_articles.pdf
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tulsakatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 03:09 PM
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18. part of the reason why I believe the story....
...is because of the way they have stuck to their story! After everything that people have said about truthout over the past week, if there was any doubt at all, why wouldn't they have admitted that they made a mistake? The only reason that I can come up with is that they were telling the truth.

True, they did release a partial apology about being too over zealous in their reporting, but they still did not back down on the facts of the story.

I do think they're right about Cheney. I think Fitz has had his eye on Cheney for a long time!!
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 03:20 PM
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20. This Is News?
Where ya been? When the newspaper article with Chenney's chickenscratch all over it...if that didn't show that Fitz is looking in that direction, nothing is. But then people here were too busy fighting over if Rove was going to be indicted and other circuses. Glad to see some are catching up with the class.

Again...more speculation and it will remain that way until Mr. Fitzgerald decides differently. The only person who has predicted anything that's been proven true was Lawrence O'Donnell and he's been very, very quiet lately.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 03:27 PM
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22. I Like That Theory
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 03:42 PM
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24. Locking
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