What if Fitzgerald is really after Cheney ??

How long before we would know? Would he keep the investigation going beyond November's election? Would Karl Rove be the type of person that would rat out Dick Cheney to save his own skin? Would he not prefer to go to jail himself than rat on someone else? If he made a plea bargain, would that keep him out of jail?

Remember they laughed at Scottie for taking the heat over the hunting accident and didn't
Bush say about Michael Brown being criticized, better him than me. I wouldn't rely
on a rescue from those two.

Otherwise Fitzgerald would have never released Cheney's annotated Wilson article. That was a big clue to where Fitzgerald was going with this thing.

In regards to Rove, it is too late for him to avoid his own indictment. He has lied too many times and is not a trustworthy witness. The only thing Rove can hope for is for Fitzgerald to drop some of the charges and/or a lighter sentence.

but there may not be time in our lifetimes to prosecute Cheney for all the transgressions he has committed to Constitutional liberties.

That secret energy policy deal is just one seditious outrage; the lie about Atta and the Czech cafe is another; and there are a thousand more.

kentuck, you put a question in front of us here that lifts my spirits.

with Scooter Libby thrown to the wolves, then the wagons circled and no more indictments forthcoming.

In other words, I am a cynic and a pessimist. I'll believe in a wider investigation when I see the result of one.

I have lost all faith in Fitz. I think that he has got all he is going to get (Scooter Libby). All he is doing now is spending government money for nothing just like Ken Starr.

You may flame me if you wish but if there is anything there he should have already gotten it.

these bastards do.

I do not think there is anything there. Fitz is doing just what Ken Starr did. Keep your hopes up if you wish but if there was anything at all we would have more than a person who gave MAYBE a shady testimony to the gj. I will be surprised if he really has anything on Libby that will stick.

I have given up on Fitz even finding his own rear end. Just my ho.

Fitzgerald is going after Cheney, and finalizing his approach on indicting Rove.

This could be wishful thinking, or not?

I'll bet a fictional $100 dollars that Cheney is going down.

Fitzgerald is working hard on this case. I too think Cheney will be indicted along with Rove. Personally, I would like to see the entire Iraq War Group face charges. But I guess that is wishful thinking.

Hence the new article put out this past week by Scooters squeeze, Judy Miller. Scooter, Miller, and the rest of Cheney gang are striking back from the corner they are getting shoved into.

These people will never be arrested and convicted as they should be--as we would like them to be. However, more than one criminal has been jailed for the lowly crime of tax evasion rather than the crime for which they should be imprisoned.

Karl's gonna get it. Cheney's gonna get it. What they're gonna get, I don't know, but they are going down for something. Nobody is going to bother with Georgie. He's a waste of time. Once they take his meds away, he's dead meat anyway. I think the boys are hoping he can make it to 2008 without imploding, and then they can keep him safely down on the pig farm out of the public eye. I think a lot of the other boys are suddenly going to find business to do in Israel. And with luck they will stay there--close to the Palestinian border one hopes. Very close.

unless somene is indicted for outting Valerie Plame. The perjury indictments are not scaring anyone and I honestly feel that anyone indicted for perjury in this case will gleefully go to trial.

Their strategy is that if no one is indicted for outting Valerie Plame, then there was no crime and they know a jury will buy that. In the end, Fitz will have perjury charges that got aquitals and the Republicans will call the whole affair a witch hunt.

Someone needs to get indicted for outting Valerie Plame. When that happens then there will be a stampede of people wanting to make deals.

regardless of the outcome of the Plame case. For example--if you could prove that someone lied under oath, but because of their lies you couldn't prosecute the primary crime, the lies would still be perjury and prosecutable as such.

an underlying crime that she was never charged with; and the underlying crime was insignificant compared to the charges that could be brought here.

they are, but I feel a conviction in this case (an they will get the best lawyers money can buy) will not be possible. They will stick to perjury in a crime that never happened and the jury will buy it. Now if there was an indictment for the outting of Valerie Plame, it becomes a new ballgame.

the 2008 election. Suppose a Democrat is elected President. Then, when the indictments finally happen, Bush won't be around to pardon anyone.

Maybe a Democratic President will decide not to, either.

What if he isn't?

-Hoot