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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 02:42 AM
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McCain aide attacks woman who spoke out against senator...
'A longtime aide to Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) who co-wrote several of the senator's books wrote a startling frank comment on a blog post at The Huffington Post late Sunday, revealing his derision for a student at the New School commencement in New York City.

Mark Salter, McCain's aide, responded to the commencement speech given by student Jean Rohe who spoke out in an unexpectedly strong-worded speech against the senator and the speech he intended to give.'


http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/McCain_aide_attacks_woman_who_spoke_0522.html

it's going to be odd watching McCain being reduced to the over-blown pissed off guy he seems to me to actually be, don't think he'll survive the reference to Keating myself, but we'll see.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 02:51 AM
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1. Rule #43.07: Denigrate any and all opposition with attack attack attack
Destroy the enemy by Denigration....One of the PUBs favorite tatics.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 02:55 AM
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2. page 1, item 1 of their all too well known playbook...
we will have been suckers in the extreme to fall for it any longer it is time for them to go
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 07:32 AM
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22. McCain hired one of Bush's big guns back in March.
McCain Campaign Hires 'Best Bricklayer'

By Chris Cillizza and Zachary A. Goldfarb
Sunday, March 19, 2006; Page A05

In the behind-the-scenes hunt for 2008 campaign talent, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) has bagged a big one.

Terry Nelson, who served as national political director for President Bush's reelection race in 2004, has signed on as a senior adviser to McCain's Straight Talk America political action committee.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/18/AR2006031800966.html
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 02:57 AM
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3. I used to have a soft spot for McCain
He seemed to be a reasonable Republican.

But the days of "reasonable Republicans" are over. There is no such thing.

McCain is a far-right lunatic, just like the rest of them.

And he has no self-respect, which make him even more disgusting.

He's licking Bush's bush, even after what they did to him in South Carolina in 2000. McCain is a despicable SOB. And he can kiss my butt.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 03:00 AM
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4. so did i, i thought it was cool him going on whatever = leno, conan...
'fill in the blank', but he's so clearly just playing the angles now he has to be drawn out past his one-liners and onto the spot where he truly stands
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 03:09 AM
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5. And while I'm at it, why is he a "war hero?"
I have great sympathy for a person that was held in an enemy prison for years. But how does that make him a "war hero?"

A hero is someone that does something great, who saves people. All McCain was was another victim of another needless disastrous war. Much like what is going on in Iraq now. Yet he cheerleads for the slaughter. Hero indeed.

:hi:
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 03:13 AM
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7. well, he was party to i think the single most destructive accident...
on the deck of an aircraft carrier prior to that, other than an enemy attack...rocket on his fighter discharged on deck, made a big ole mess; were he not the son of a decorated officer he may have been brought to task right then & there

:hi:
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 03:16 AM
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8. Please do not try to take that away from him. He earned it the hard way
John McCain, no matter how disappointed we may be with him, is a hero of the Vietnam War. That is not open to question.

Debate (or attack, whatever) him on the issues of TODAY, not his service of yesteryear.

Please.

Hekate

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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 03:18 AM
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10. what did he do that was heroic?
If he did something heroic, I'll be glad to praise him for it.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 03:40 AM
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11. Survived under conditions that'd drive others mad, kept faith w his nation
Or so I've heard tell.

When the Abu Ghraib scandal broke, when Alberto Gonzales said the Geneva Conventions had "been rendered quaint", McCain said that one of the things that had kept him going during his years of imprisonment and torture was the belief that no matter what his captors did to him, he believed his own country would never do the same to POWs. His was one of the voices calling for the US to return to honoring the Geneva Conventions.

I'd be very surprised if he's changed his mind on that particular subject.

I'm disappointed in him for what he is doing now, and especially for the company he's keeping.

But I think we Progressives, Democrats, and DUers should be very wary of playing the Swift Boat game of denigrating and denying the service of our veterans, no matter who they are. It won't reflect well on us if we do.

Hekate

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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 04:18 AM
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12. Then wouldn't it be very wise for the Senator and his flunkies to leave
out the 'war hero' crap if someone protests him and his ass kissing? The fact that he served honorably, which I admit is not a republican trait as a general rule, occurred long ago. It has nothing to do with the fact that he's a willing supporter of the current massacre of a foreign population. While he may not be flying missions to kill from the air, he does support the masterminds of this murderous mission to steal the assets of another nation at any cost.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 07:50 AM
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24. McCain's own words and other things about John

Later in life, McCain would quip, "Do not call me a 'war hero'...I am anything but! The fact that I was incompetent enough to get shot down twice in war should dissuade you from that fact."


POW/MIA Controversy
McCain was a member of the controversial 1991-1992 Senate Select POW/MIA Committee chaired by his friend Senator John Kerry. McCain drew severe criticism from a number of POW/MIA families and activists for his behavior during that committee.

A bill including criminal penalties for deliberately withholding POW/MIA records from POW/MIA families in violation of the law unanimously passed the House of Representatives. However, as reported by Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Sydney Schanberg, such penalties were stripped from the bill in conference due to the efforts of McCain.


Keating Five scandal
In the late 1980s McCain was named in the embarrassing Keating Five scandal in which he and four other Senators provided help to Charles Keating, who was secretly manipulating savings and loan banks. The Senate ethics committee's special counsel concluded in 1991 that McCain was not substantially involved in the influence-peddling scheme, but criticized him and three others for "questionable conduct". McCain remained in the Senate and made campaign finance reform a key legislative interest.

Joan Molinaro, Bruce De Cell, Grace Godshalk and Peter Gadiel of "9/11 Families for a Secure America" accused McCain of "screaming at them" during a chance encounter with McCain when they criticized his proposed immigration reform bills, which they felt were not strict enough in stopping terrorists from crossing the southern border.

We had a saying in the military "it takes 10 atta boys to make up for one oh shit", by my count he is still in the "oh shit" column.

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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 08:31 AM
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25. The Swift Boat guys say he was the only POW to actually gain weight
They don't seem to think he was all that great and they supposedly are on his side..
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 04:23 AM
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14. He Refused Release from POW Camp
While he was being held prisoner, there was an opportunity for him to be released. This would have been used as propaganda, and he would have been the only one released ... but he would no longer be tortured. He did the honorable thing and refused. That was heroic. I'm not sure but refusing release might have been what officers were ordered to do, but being subjected to torture makes following orders and doing the honorable thing a hell of a lot harder to do. I dissapprove of 99% of his politics (and think he has dishonored himself by kissing Bush's ass), but I think he does deserve to called a hero for his action while captured.
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watrwefitinfor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 04:54 AM
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17. It might be worth recalling just what it was he was doing
when he landed in that POW position. That is, he was flying around dropping bombs on the Vietnamese people in the most immoral war this country ever engaged in prior to the present one in Iraq. More bombs were dropped on that tiny little backward, rice growing third world country than was dropped by everyone during WWII, or so I've read. How many million Vietnamese people did we kill? How many of those by flyboys like McCain?

If that makes him a hero in someone's eyes, so be it. For myself, I think it speaks volumes about the character of the Vietnamese people that those POWs were not killed outright.

No, McCain wasn't then and never will be viewed as a hero by any of us who were active and aware during those days.

Wat
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 03:11 AM
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6. It's going to be fun watching McCain and Rudy battling it out
for the GOP nomination in '08. That will set the stage
for THE white knight to ride in at the last minute and bag
the nomination. Oh, the "white knight" you ask inquizitively? That of course would
be.... (and the Bush family has had this in secret planning for years):
j...................e.......................b.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 03:17 AM
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9. Please Stop! You're Giving Me Nightmares!
Edited on Mon May-22-06 03:21 AM by Syrinx
Seriously, I can't imagine what could lead our country to put another Bush at the helm of power.

But of course those machines may have other ideas.
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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 07:08 AM
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20. I can't even see
his name in print without visualizing 'The Hug'.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 04:19 AM
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13. The aide's reply is a juvenile, ad hominem attack. It won't reflect well
on his "centrist" boss. If he thinks that's just a swell way to answer a critic, has some growing up to do himself.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 04:38 AM
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16. John McCain, Hypocrite
John McCain, Hypocrite
by Doug Ireland

John McCain, the media's darling, has found a clever way around his own campaign finance reform law to take big corporate bucks in furtherance of his political ambitions while carrying water for the corporate mammoth providing the dough. But the national press is ignoring the story.


The Associated Press first ran the story of John McCain's odorous but lucrative Senatorial service to the communications giant Cablevision on the afternoon of March 7. But, while some local papers in McCain's home state (like the East Valley Tribune) have run the story, nothing has as yet made it into the print editions of the New York Times, the L.A. Times, the Washington Post, or any of the half-dozen other big city dailies I checked (although, if one searches the hundreds of AP stories available on the Post's website on its Politics page by clicking on "Latest Wire Reports," one can find it there--but how many readers would bother to do that?) One notable exception: the Kansas City Star.


Here's what the AP's investigation found:


McCain repeatedly intervened on behalf of a policy Cablevision favored -- one which "congressional and private studies conclude could make cable more expensive" -- while his chief political adviser, Rick Davis (who's masterminding McCain's probable '08 presidential rerun) solicited $200,000 in contributions from Cablevision to an institute that promotes McCain and pays Davis a $110,000 annual salary.


The Reform Institute was set up to promote McCain and his issues--especially campaign finance reform, embodied in the famous McCain-Feingold law. This Institute is "a tax-exempt group that touts McCain's views and has showcased him at events since his unsuccessful 2000 presidential campaign," and it "often uses the senator's name in press releases and fund-raising letters and includes him at press conferences," the AP says. And, of course, it provides a cushy sinecure with no heavy lifting for McCain's main man, Davis, as he prepares the pontificating Senator's next presidential run. Cablevision's contributions account for a whopping 15% of the Institute's budget.


http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0309-35.htm
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 04:35 AM
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15. This is the real McCain
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 06:15 AM
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18. gasp! socal!
:rofl:
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 06:17 AM
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19. overreacting anyone?


whether they are his alone or reflect McCain's - but they reflect an intense anger, a huge overaction to her comments. It is remarkable that this guy rips into this woman, yet he did not speak out against Republicans who went after McCain in South Carolina in 2000.

He is almost saying that she has no right to speak up until she suffers something equivalent to being a prisoner of war.

her comments took courage. He can disagree with them, sure - but he makes her out to be a sick person just for speaking the truth. He says speaking out is important, then picks her apart for speaking out.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 08:50 AM
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26. all too typical republican smack talk imo...
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 07:10 AM
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21. Oh so courageous is Mr. McCain ...


So much so that I'll never forget his kissing *'s tail to stay in his good graces once Rove smeared him in SC in 2000.

Never forget. McCain is married to * for the long haul. He just feigns independence.

-Laelth
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momster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 07:40 AM
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23. Why are his eyes dead?
This picture always looks like Bushie is holding a stuffed McCain doll. McCain's arm isn't holding Bushie's waist; it's just sticking out. Also, McCain looks out of proportion, like his stuffing isn't distributed right. I've seen shoe-button eyes on a teddy bear that have more warmth and life than McCain's. Is this the moment when he lost the last of his soul?
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 08:22 PM
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27. spooky you should say that, cause i seen some other pics as well...
:scared:
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