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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 05:47 AM
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The Neocons have turned our soldiers into Nazi Storm Troopers.
Edited on Mon May-22-06 05:54 AM by Philosoraptor
http://www.peacefilms.org/

Senator Dick Durbin got in big trouble and had to apologize for even suggesting this notion. Many will say that if you use the very word "Nazi" in a sentence, you've automatically lost the argument.

But the accounts from the soldiers themselves, one particularly harrowing one just released and available here, are right out of Gestapo and SS history.

Many of the soldiers, used by the neocons like chess pieces, are expressing their feelings of betrayal and guilt. They say they thought they were going to Iraq to liberate people, and discovered that their real mission was to terrorize and slaughter hundreds of thousands of them with great prejudice.

Can you imagine your own son participating in waking up a family at 4 a.m. and terrorizing them for an hour, sexually intimidating wives and daughters, shooting children in the head, torturing and murdering 30 to 40 sleeping innocents a night?

Can you imagine if your son or daughter were drafted, or YOU, and realize that they would be expected to do this sort of thing? All for Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld and the mighty Bush Clan?

One can always yell, "I support the troops", but it rings hollow when the troops are storm troopers from hell, sent by madmen, madmen that no one can reason with or stop.
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Neoma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 05:55 AM
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1. Hear, Hear.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 06:24 AM
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2. I am a veteran & am starting to have a lot of trouble mouthing the phrase
How can I possibly support this shit? I didn't then and I don't now.
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Truthy Nessy Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 07:23 AM
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3. In 1969 one soldier wrote a poem to his commanding general
on the back of a copy of his marriage certificate. This soldier was originally a CO, going through all the appeals, then he became a draft dodger, keeping the Dept. of Justice informed of his whereabouts at all times. Then he was visited by the FBI once before being picked up the 2nd time, thrown in jail for a few weeks for extradition back to his home state. He agreed to serve in the Army and wanted to do any duty other than carry a gun and kill people. But the army as we know it would not agree to that. He was assigned to be a foot soldier and go to Viet Nam.

Here is what he sent the Commanding General of his base (and got called to his office for doing so).:

Trained to kill - without asking why,
No knowledge of life but ready to die.
From all social strata come the factors of war.
To rape and destroy as all have before.

Sanity waves as logic's displaced
By catch-all phrases that reek of distaste.
Mechanized killers is what you demand,
Ignorant puppets is what you command.

Yes, your army of one of which to be proud
It decays the ideals of all I've avowed.
But if it's a mercenary you would to create
This union of love, you need first dissipate.
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flashdebadge Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 07:31 AM
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4. Some of your assertions are absolutely ludicrous. Stop making us look like
UFO conspirators. You're casting these statements upon the entire military. First of all, I don't believe my son would "shoot children in the head" or "torture and murder 30 to 40 sleeping innocents at night". I don't even feel like addressing your conjured ideas anymore. Just tiring. Sigh....
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 07:36 AM
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5. Conjured ideas?
I guess your suggesting I'm making the horrible story up? There's a video and transcript and a U.S. soldier made the statements.

Did I insult the entire military? No.
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flashdebadge Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 07:37 AM
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6. 1 soilder out of 200,000 so to you, that means they're all doing it?
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 07:38 AM
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7. Right, only 1 did this, in his own words he says "WE did these things"
But they are acting just like Nazis, on our dime.
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flashdebadge Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 07:49 AM
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8. There you go again..."THEY" all of them right? Statements like yours are
why I have such a hard time convincing some of my neighbors to vote democrat. They're defense is often to refer to statements made such as yours...Nazi this and Nazi that. They refuse to align themselves with people who throw such terms around with reckless abandon. Again you have painted the entire United States military with this broad brush. Even after I pointed this out. It just goes to show that your rabid disregard for thoughtful consideration of the mindset of our solders has been thrown to the wind. I suppose those who hold our political views and are serving in the military are also Nazi's in your opinion huh?
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 07:57 AM
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9. Once you've emulated the Roman soldier's tactics, or the Nazis,
Edited on Mon May-22-06 07:58 AM by Philosoraptor
then you've earned the right to be called a Nazi. Did all Nazi soldiers kill innocent people for fun? No, but that's what they're ALL remembered for. The acts of a few maniacs will indeed paint them all badly.

I never said they were all doing it, although you keep trying to bend it to sound that way.

If you act like a Nazi, you get called a Nazi.
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Truthy Nessy Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 08:03 AM
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10. Speaking of Rome
Did anyone find the HBO ROME series so good. It was such a parallel to the Bush Regime.

and I found this yesterday on my Financial alerts.
http://news.goldseek.com/InternationalForecaster/1148223780.php

excerpt: There is no question in our minds that Vice President Dick Cheney believes he is the reincarnation of Herman Goring. 9/11 was the elitist version of the Reichstag fire and it was the operative event that was used to introduce forms of dictatorship that had been formulated years before when Mr. Cheney was Secretary of Defense under George H. W. Bush. The vehicle for total control of the American people was the USA Patriot Act and following legislation




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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 08:06 AM
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12. The similarites are striking between Rome and America.
The Nazis adored the Romans and even dressed up like Roman soldiers in their official rallies. Some people see all American soldiers as John Wayne, but some of them are mad dog killers from next door.
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flashdebadge Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 08:05 AM
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11. I don't have any more time to respond to you. I have to work. And the
soilders are depending on the taxes generated by my income to fund their storm trooper operations.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 08:06 AM
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13. Thank Goodness.
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DemforNagin Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 08:36 AM
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14. That's a ridiculous and demeaning statement.
Anyone who suggests that the United States Military is akin to anything Nazi related should be shunned.

I am ashamed to have even read your diatribe.

Is there a "block user" button anywhere hereabouts?
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 08:38 AM
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15. Well shun me already then.
And I'll wear your shun like a badge of honor.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 08:58 AM
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18. Have you ever heard the expression: "If it walks like a duck"?
The US military is brutalizing the people of Iraq.

They are killing innocent civilians, including women and children.

Anyone who suggests otherwise is in denial.




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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 08:48 AM
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16. Haditha video evidence, have you seen it?
below, Rep.Murtha video at this link:
http://veredictum.com/node/212




The Haditha video evidence, shot by an Iraqi film student, showed the aftermath of the murders in Haditha. Unarmed bodies of women children were seen slain in praying positions. The walls were covered with blood and bullet holes.

A 9 year old girl survived the Haditha massacre and was able to provide an eyewitness account of the crimes. In the video at the beginning of this article (pictured at left), the 9 year old girl describes what she witnessed, "The American's came into my room where my father was praying. They went to my grandmother and killed her too. I heard an explosion. They threw a grenade under my grandfather's bed."


The Haditha video evidence was eventually obtained by Time Magazine and broadcast on Arab television. The Pentagon gave way to public pressure and opened an investigation into the killings at Haditha. We can't help but wonder how many other atrocities have been ignored or covered-up due to a lack of public evidence and public pressure?



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http://veredictum.com/node/212

Lawmaker: Marines killed Iraqis ‘in cold blood’
Navy conducting war crimes probe into November violence in Haditha

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12838343/
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 08:59 AM
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19. Technically, this is not Video Evidence
Sadly, it seems the Marines have committed a terrible atrocity, but even as your post states.

The Haditha video evidence, shot be an Iraqi film student, showed the aftermath of the murders in Haditha.

This war has been a propaganda war from the outset and while I personally know of incidents which have been faked to implicate US forces and to then be videotaped, as I said this incident seems to be a atrocity.

But this is what comes from Empire building and *Co would know this if they hadn't dodged Vietnam.

"The barbarities of war are seldom committed by abnormal men. The tragedy of war is that these horrors are committed by normal men in abnormal situations." - Maj. J.F. Thomas (defense attorney for Breaker Morant and the Scapegoats of the Empire)
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 09:08 AM
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21. Wait until we get the home version
The Homeland Security Gestapo tour of 2007
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 09:00 AM
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20. In my job I hear from dozens of people's "sons"
Edited on Mon May-22-06 09:09 AM by shadowknows69
who have had to, or done it because they thought they had to, shoot men, women and children. Not a few of them speaking about it like they were doing no more than slaughtering animals. Many of the belief that they are fighting the very people that attacked us on 9/11. This is the mindset a soldier probably has to get him/herself into to do it. Some, from what I'm hearing, seem to enjoy the job more than others.
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 08:50 AM
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17. Soldiers are used like pieces in a game of
RISK not Chess. Chess requires thought, in RISK you simply move your soulless, faceless, disposable pieces onto an area of the world you wish to conquer and remove those faceless, soulless pieces.

But not to worry by next turn you'll have a bunch more and in fact you'll get even more the more WAR you engage in...
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