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Montagnard Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 10:14 AM
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Curiosity
Edited on Mon May-22-06 10:35 AM by Montagnard


Just finished a very informative book and was wondering how many DUers are familiar with:

Christian nationalism,

Dominionism,

The Constitution Reconstruction Act,

or

Rousas John Rushdoony?



“Before they seize power and establish a world according to their doctrines, totalitarian movements conjure up a lying world of consistency which is more adequate to the need of the human mind than reality itself…The force possessed by totalitarian propaganda—before the movements have the power to drop iron curtains to prevent anyone’s disturbing, by the slightest reality, the gruesome quiet of an entirely imaginary world—lies in the ability to shut the masses off from the real world.” Hannah Arendt, the Origins of Totalitarianism




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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 10:16 AM
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1. Yes
Evil

Evil

Evil

And Evil with a side of maliciousness.

I am a regular church goer, but these guys ideas are just, well, evil. There was a good Rolling Stone Story a couple of months back - last year I think.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Montagnard Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 10:45 AM
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7. Thanks
will look at the site.
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 10:16 AM
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2. I've heard of them
I watched Mark Crispin Miller talk about them on C-span, but I try not to get into the details of what these freaks believe, lest my brain get scrambled :crazy:
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Montagnard Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 10:46 AM
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8. Are you concerned
based on what you heard?
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 10:17 AM
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3. I know enough about them to
keep far, far away from those nutbags.

We ARE NOT a Christian Nation!
Don't mess with the Constitution, there's nothing wrong with it!
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Montagnard Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 10:48 AM
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9. Staying far away maynot be a rational course
since they would seem to be in the government today.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 10:20 AM
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4. very familiar with these lunatics.
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Montagnard Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 10:49 AM
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10. How did you come by your knowledge
reading or personal experience?
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Extend a Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 10:23 AM
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5. the yricareport
http://www.yuricareport.com/

has studied the dominionist movement extensively

:scared:
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Montagnard Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 10:45 AM
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6. Thank you
Will check the site out.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 11:16 AM
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11. yurica is an excellent resource for this . . . n/t
.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 11:17 AM
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12. basic familiarity
worst movement on earth
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 11:22 AM
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13. Over the course of the last several years, I've been following
these groups. Along with the Yurica Report, which has a wealth of info, I also reccommend TheocracyWatch website:

http://www.theocracywatch.org/

The Rise of the Religious Right in the Republican Party
a public information project from TheocracyWatch.org


Lots of info there with videos, too. Be sure to check out their "What's New" page periodically.

Also, just to keep track of what Rushdoonies are up to, I get their email alerts from the Chalcedon Foundation (Rushdoony's father established this in the '60s)

Also, as these groups keep resurfacing in the politics of today, I have found a few websites that reveal who funds whom, and keeps track of some of these groups. My favorite for these rightwing fundamentalist groups is:

http://www.mediatransparency.org/story.php?storyID=113

Check out their Grants, Recipients, Funders, People links at the top for more info.

But Right Web also has some info, although they mostly categorize more political groups (neocons, etc.), people and thinks tanks, and do not focus on the religiosity/right wing issues. Nevertheless, they are a good source for who is tied to who (whom?):

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/

Check out their Org Web, People Web, Corp Web, Gov Web links on their home page.
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Montagnard Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 06:01 PM
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17. These look like excellent sites
thanks
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 06:08 PM
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19. A couple of years ago when I stumbled upon the
TheocracyWatch site, I emailed Joan Joan Bokaer, the lady that runs the program. I spilled my guts out to her at how upset I was to find these groups who, IMHO, are a threat to our secular democratic, free-thinking society. She was so kind and emailed a long reply back to me -- I was very impressed that she had taken the time to respond and offered some recommendations of what I could do in my local community.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 11:36 AM
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14. Unfamiliar with the first and third thing you list,
familiar with the second and fourth. I've heard the first and third mentioned, but no direct knowledge of them.

My familiarity with the other two comes not from reading anything second hand, but from actually reading a lot of their works in the '80s and early '90s. Somehow, I consider them to be much less of a threat than people that haven't actually waded through much of Chalcedon's catalog.

Some are loons, some are sincere; some are nasty political activists (not like that's a uniquely reconstructionist trait), many aren't.

The worst mainstream reconstructionists are majoritarianists. But it's not like that's a uniquely reconstructionist POV, either.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 12:18 PM
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15. Btw
I think you are referring to the Constitution Restoration Act, of which TheocracyWatch has some good insight on what it's about and its supporters, at least as of '04:


http://www.theocracywatch.org/sponors_cra_sept22_04.htm
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Montagnard Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 06:00 PM
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16. You are correct I mistyped
thanks
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 06:04 PM
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18. No problem -- didn't mean to knit pick
Reconstruction = Restoration

In this topic, the two are interchangeable almost, as when they say restoration, they may as well be saying reconstruction!

I didn't even notice it until later when I was looking through that TheocracyWatch website at all the folks in our government who were backing the Act.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 06:12 PM
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20. that ironic power
"...the power to drop iron curtains to prevent anyone’s disturbing, by the slightest reality, the gruesome quiet of an entirely imaginary world—lies in the ability to shut the masses off from the real world."

In an entirely imaginary sentence, the real world is a priori fated to be thus as the curtain of ignorance is lifted.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 10:19 PM
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21. Perfect description of moderates:
"a lying world of consistency which is more adequate to the need of the human mind than reality itself"
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