Democrats DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO LOSE by filibuster

But a lot to lose by NOT filibustering. What's their FUCKIN PROBLEM

they may need get a french kiss from scrub if they support a filibuster.

is that they couldn't filibuster anymore.

Which they don't do now, out of fear of not being able to filibuster. The solution?

Find a good goddamned reason to filibuster, and see it through to the sweet end.

their seats and we lose ground on trying to take back the Senate.

Democrats will refuse to vote for them because they actually showed some spine and fought:wtf:

Sorry, but the Dems have a much greater chance of losing their seats if they don't filibuster, because if they don't fight, their leftist base will either vote them out in the primary, or bolt the party completely in '06 and '08.

Sorry, but you're just not making sense on this one friend, everybody loves a fighter, even if they lose, people want to see them at least go down swinging.

for some mythical time where it really counts? Sigh. Well they have a storehouse of powder, their people are starving and the village is overrun with beasts. I guess they should wait, right?

As I see it, they're setting themselves up for a huge loss by NOT acting like the opposition. It's demoralizing to all democrats. It won't get out the vote.

Unless, of course, you believe that only RWers vote.

filibustering doesn't come with much of as much of a cost right now, with Bush poll numbers way down and with Alito such a poor nominee (ignore the media fluff about him, he sucks).

:kick:

Click for Senate FAX numbers

Send them FAXes. Make them understand how important this is.

Did this before, did so many petitions, wrote so many times... glutton for punishment I guess!!

I'll wait til the AM... it's getting late here.

and the committee votes.

Then when it hits the floor, that will be the time. AT this point there is nothing to filibuster yet.

If they won't or can't filibuster Alito, then what is their purpose? To get red in the face and wag a finger? The Dems have got to show some collective balls or they might as well go home...

the word on Spineless St. is that the corporate media will smear the poor dems so horribly if they do filibuster, that they'll have no hope in this year's elections.

or something like that.

there will be no better way to demoralize the base and make the majority of us throw up our hands in despair and say "fuck it all, I'm voting third party" than if they just sit by and let the fascists have their way AGAIN.

The base isn't all that worked up about. We here at DU don't represent the base. Anyone who votes third party because of this is an idiot. Voting third party is what gave us this.

Out of whatever trance you're living in. This idea that mounting Republican scandals will send votes our way by default is ridiculous at best (and dangerous at worst).

every democrat I know is "worked up" about it, and most of them only get their news from the MSM.

What I'm worried about is that if they get rid of Alito, Bush will just pick someone worse. This won't end even with a successful filibuster.

Why do we keep acting like the long time champion who is afraid to take a risk? Our championship is long past and we never radical tactics to get it back.

We need to speak the truth about Alito, the wrietapping, electronic voting, the fucked up war, ALL OF IT.

:rant: End rant.

I still don't know if it is right or wrong, but think of the newsworthiness of calling the "Culture of Corruption" devotees on their crimes and threat of the Nuclear Option :nuke: .

I hate to feel that the dems. need to walk on eggshells all the time. Hit them on
Torture Pre-emptive Wars of Choice What really happened on 911? What is the Saudi connnection to 911? Potential War Crimes
Wiretapping Stolen Elections Attempting to destroy the UN and America's standing in the world and if they have time-joke- the magic bullet theory Abramoff- Delay - Kenny Boy - Califawneeyaa Energy crisis GFY cheney's Energy/War meetings

Not necessarily in that order.
Over my shoulder, Don Imus is saying that Teddy Kennedy is coming on.
:patriot:

Now just to get some more Senate Dems on board.


Take a stand, already. Why is it so hard? Can anyone explain?

20 to 30 years of Rightwing wacko's stripping the middle
class of what few remaining freedoms we have.

We won't lose seats in the senate. There are no Republican candidates! They can't recruit anyone!

WHEN? What are they saving it for?

Count on some Dems like Nelson to vote for confirmation. Dems would need some help, and Olympia Snowe says she is voting to confirm.

You can't have a filibuster without the votes. The fight is in the next few days when this thing goes to the Senate floor on a partisan split in the Judiciary Committee. Maybe a few of the Republicans that have expressed concern over illegal wiretapping, and who are pro-choice .. Arlen Specter ... will give serious thought to voting against Alito. Although, he'll certainly vote him out of Committee.

Was it just me, or did anyone else feel that the tension between Arlen Specter and Ted Kennedy was more than just about a letter. Ted Kennedy's brother was gunned down in Dallas, and Arlen Specter created the Magic Bullet Theory for the Warren Commission, the official body that covered up the truth about that murder.

OOPS!

Too late!

So you are wrong.

They have to play this stratigically not be ruled bu knee jerk reactions. Filibustering will not stop the appointment. It may however alienate many in the center who are leaning left.

Looks like the strategists who lost the last 3 elections are keeping the faith.

Perhaps 4 is the charm, right?

I don't see how finally fighting Bush for once after 6 years is "knee-jerk."

That's it right there.

We have everything to lose if the Dems who keep caving, cave in again.

Great point.

With everything happening right now in the press, with the Abramoff scandal and such, would they really try that? They changed the rules once to protect Delay, now look where they are. They changed the rules back because it appeared like they were making them up as they went along to protect their own. If they launch this now, it is more fuel for the "culture of corruption", of them making the rules up as they go along. I think repugs have more to lose by fighting a filibuster than we do in calling for one. We are attempting to follow the rules. They are attempting to change them again to suit their agenda. It will backfire on the repugs if they do this.

I say, push the balls to the wall and filibuster this asshole.


edit- typos (I hate new keyboards!)

It's dicey, really. The Dems can't win on a floor vote, so filibustering this turd is their only option. However, the Republicans and especially their base are chomping at the bit to beat the Dems down with a filibuster. Do they have the nerve? Are you kidding? Of course they do. The nuclear option will be applauded by their side and vilified by ours. Business as usual.

I just don't see a good outcome.

This is what happens when people steal elections and are allowed to get away with it.

Nobody in their right mind is going to vote for a democrat who obviously doesn't stand up for SHIT. No, what you're going to have come November is a LOT of people who said "I held my nose and voted Republican--at least they stand for something".

from people I know how are liberal in everything but name. They just can't be convinced that the Democrats stand for anything because "all they do is whine-they never fight for an issue". Basically what these people want is an identity, so they go with the winning party that displays a strong (but evil and corrupt) identity. It's truly sick.

I honestly don't understand WHY our dem leadership believes that taking a stand and fighting for anything will "hurt them in coming elections". Apparently they remain convinced that elections can only be won by being the candidate that's "not quite as bad as the other guy".

I'm just saying!

Reid was just said that he's asked that democrats NOT COMMENT ON THEIR VOTES at this time.