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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:16 PM
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geez, 9 pm, and a marine recruiter won't take no for an answer
i guess that's what marines do. looking for my son. no, i said, you are not talking to him. hang up. call back. hang up. call back. hang up. call back. hang up. call back. hang up. ok, ok, pick up the phone, no my son is not going to die in your stupid war.
wonder how many more times they will try.
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:18 PM
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1. too bad we don't have a directory of freeper telephone numbers.....
...."yeah, sure, wanna talk to my son? his name is and here's his phone number: [insert freeper phone number here}. i was just talking to him a while ago and he said he really wants to go to iraq. please give him a call ASAP."
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:19 PM
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2. Harassment?
x(
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:19 PM
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3. Tell him that your son is "legally blind in one eye." My sister
got hit in the eye with a soccer ball her senior year in high school and is legally blind in that eye. When the recruiters called her, she simply told them that and she never heard from them again.

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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:23 PM
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4. somehow i wonder if that still works.
i think they would find a job for a one-eyed kid these days.
really, you could not find a worse candidate for a hired killer than this kid. he grows orchids, ferchrissakes. and he would rather eat worms than talk to strangers. at 19. seriously. i guess killing them might be different, but still.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:39 PM
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14. Baghdad ER
had a National Guard soilder who had Scrapnel in is eye , was blind in that eye, he was pissed he had to go back to the States, he didn't want to leave his comrade's. I sure the Army will use that as an Example.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:40 PM
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15. You are right -- they would probably take a one-eyed kid.
Keep fighting the fight -- don't let those bastards talk to your son!!
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:51 PM
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22. hell they just took a 52 yr old grandma of 6... n/t
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purji Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 07:05 AM
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40. yes it does
My daughter's boyfriend got turned down because of his eyes just 2 weeks ago.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 07:08 AM
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41. They're sending kids with Post-Traumatic Stress disorder back to Iraq...
I think their attitude on a missing eye would be "eh, he has an extra one..."
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:24 PM
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5. I don't suppose the
Do Not Call List applies to these people.

Tell them he's autistic, or tell them he weighs 300 pounds, or tell them he has asthma. Tell them anything that would disqualify him.

And then give them phone numbers to the nice Republicans you know who also have 18 year old sons and daughters, explain how much those people support the war and how certain you are they'll be happy to talk to him.
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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:29 PM
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10. "Oh, i'd love to help you, but unfortunately,
I'm an obese, asthmatic illegal immigrant with diabetes. AND I'M GAY."
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:44 PM
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17. i try not to know any republicans
the kid is not soldier material, tho. no way. really, he barely survived 2 years of high school. yes, they are chasing a dropout.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:41 PM
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30. They Took an Autistic Kid Last Month. Signed Him Up for "Cavalry Scout"…
…which in Iraq, consists of finding IEDs the hard way.:nuke:

He had no idea what he was signing.

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1146882329307730.xml&coll=7&thispage=1

With a lot of work by his parents and others,
they were able to extricate Jared Guinther from the Army,

http://www.tomjoad.org/freejared.htm

but how many others are there?

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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 09:31 AM
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46. i think they are looking at him in the HOPE that there is
something wrong with him. i don't know how much of his high school record they have, but he is a genius kid who couldn't get through school. had some trouble with depression, and could not stand the whole thing. there would be plenty of stuff in his record to make you think he is not a balanced person.
and this was not the army, this was the marines, is the funny thing.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:25 PM
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6. tell him your son's out
with his boyfriend.....

Or that he's currently in _____________ therapy.

Or that he's working with his new seeing eye dog.

Or ask him lots and lots of questions. Act all excited about the opportunities - write it all down - the promises of which training, assignment, etc. Get his name rank & Serial # - THEN tell him you want to talk it over with your brother who's a Colonel in the (insert armed forces of your choice) currently stationed at the Pentagon........ (this really happened when some recruiter kept calling my daughter years ago - and yeah, my bro WAS a Col at the 'gon....) I never ever heard from that AF recruiter again.

oo- ooo - Have an airhorn by the phone - and caller ID - and when he calls - pick up the phone and BLAST HIM!
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:31 PM
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11. caller id- us govt
wonder how many people are just freaked out to see that. i keep thinking they are gonna come and get me some day soon. thought this was the day for a second.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:55 PM
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26. or do what i do with sales calls..i tell them...
i am so glad you called ..then i tell them everything i have done in the past two weeks..i talk so fast they can't get a word in..i just rant and rave..and when i am totally out of breath..i tell them i am so glad i got to waste their time as they planned to waste mine...

oh and don't forget to tell them how you had to clean all the dog poop on the lawn..and how the bag broke just as you got it to the trash..and just go on and on and on...

i usually don;t get a call back...


fly
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:27 PM
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7. Tell him: "If you call again I'll know we are losing the war."
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:28 PM
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9. tell him your son is out with his boyfriend
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:32 PM
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12. that's hilarious
i love that.
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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:27 PM
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8. Goddamn recruiters....
Ask him how the hell turning people into cannon fodder is 'supporting our troops'. Or maybe say something like, "How dare you try to get someone involved in this who wasn't even allowed to vote in the last election? This is your mess, created by greedy neocons who've ruined everything with flag-waving false-patriotic aggression. Don't try to drag the next generation down with you!"

Too bad it's just on the phone, or you could give him a salute-turning-into-bird.... or just throw a rock at him or something.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:33 PM
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13. Stink'n fucks!
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:52 PM
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24. You win the ..
... Sendero Succinct Award. Nobody could say it better :)
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:14 AM
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33. And Sendero is?
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jumpoffdaplanet Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:41 PM
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16. ask the recruiter to go to Iraq himself
then come back and tell you that's it's a ok to send your son to that hellhole.
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:49 PM
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31. He might have been there....
.. and is desperately trying to meet a recruiting quota so he can stay in recruiting, rather than get sent back into the shit.

A lot safer sitting in a mall in some suburb in the States than in a poorly armored Humvee in Anbar province... and he stands a much better chance of getting laid.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:47 PM
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18. get a whistle!!! and blow his fucking ears off!! thats what i did
Edited on Thu May-25-06 09:48 PM by flyarm
when they called my son...of course it wasn't near as bad then..but i tell all my friends what the cops told me years ago when i had a nasty caller..get a metal coaches whistle..and when he calls again..blow and don't stop blowing that whistle!!..hang it on a string near phone so readily available!

then tell him call a conservative republican!

fly
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:48 PM
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19. You said it right...
Edited on Thu May-25-06 09:48 PM by sheelz
when you said, "My son is not going to die in your stupid war." It's the truth.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:49 PM
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20. Wow that sounds like real harrassment - get his name
I had a call a while back for my son and I told the guy sorry I'm a pinko commie liberal and not to EVER call back. Haven't heard from them again. The helicopters are a problem but hey, no phone calls.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:51 PM
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21. Rent a copy of Gone with the Wind
or some other long ass movie. Next time he calls, say you're going to get your kid, put the phone down, enjoy flick, see if he is still there when the credits roll.
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:51 PM
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23. Does the "Do Not Call Resigtry" work in this case?
File a complaint on their website.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:55 PM
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27. i have no doubt
that these asses are exempt. i was just surprised that they did not hide their number. but then, i did have a few calls from a "number hidden 000-000-0000" the other day. maybe they just figured out that that didn't work.
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fleabert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:18 AM
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34. they are 100% exempt.
too bad. Block the number manually...
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:52 PM
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25. Tell them your son signed up for the Army already
that usually stops them. :D
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 06:40 AM
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38. Tell them that he is gay.
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Spangle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:55 PM
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28. Interview him.
Tell him that you are glad he called. Then Get his name, rank, etc. And start asking a bunch of questions. Like, does he think there will be a draft. What is the political make up of those signing up.. republican or democrat. How long does it take from sign up to Iraq. What is the survive rate.

Ask them if they thought about hitting up on the church folks down the street.

Tell him that you think he is to old to be call on your son. And even if he wasn't, you would expect to meet him before you allowed your son to go out with him. Strict dating rules in your house, you don't stand for no funny business!

If your going to use that last one.. I think it would be funner if you started off with "Well, I guess your another 'military fellow' he has picked up on at myspace. He seems to have a hanckering for men in uniforms. You really macho types and all.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:10 PM
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29. Blow a whistle really loud
Dear Abbey's advice for getting rid of perverts.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 11:27 PM
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32. Refer him to Gannon/Guckert
Tell him GG has professed his patriotism and enjoyment of the military, or at least parts of it. Then refer him to google to find his website, though it's so sad he won't be able to see his old site where he had expressed so much love for the troops.


:evilgrin:

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PublicRadioVet Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:21 AM
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35. Please don't hate our recruiters!!
I am sorry, but in the case of your Marine recruiter, it's not "his" war. No recruiter has any control over foreign policy, and as someone who wears a uniform I take issue with anyone who blames recruiters for what American politicians have done to fuck up abroad. Recruiters are just working folk like everyone else, and they have a very taxing job. Many of them did not desire to be recruiters in the first place. At least in the Army, you can get "called" to that mission, just like you can get "called" to be a Drill Sergeant.

I appreciate that you don't want your son in the service. I also appreciate that some recruiters don't know when to take no for an answer. My suggestion is to let the recruiter talk to your son and let the recruiter hear the words "No thanks!" from your son's lips. Parents fronting for their kids never works with recruiters. If your son is of age to be recruited, he is of age to make his own decision, and your son can tell the recruiters to call elsewhere. Any recruiter with an ounce of respect will honor this, and move on down the list.

Again, our recruiters have nothing to do with the war, or Bush, or Republicans. People who bash or otherwise deride recruiters are shooting at the wrong target.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:41 AM
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37. You make good points. I think most all respect service members
And most can differentiate between the orders they follow and the lack of self-directed actions of the service members as an individuals. I think the generic expression is from the various 'inside recruiting' clips that have surfaced on video and audio. Michael Moore had some guys on that did not honor the uniform as a civilian would expect. Others were caught on tape and it aired on radio. Again, not the true blue warriors we would admire.
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 07:13 AM
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42. Parents fronting for their kids never works with recruiters
Worked for me. They starting the mailings and I called the local US Army branch. Told them I was a veteran and to stop contacting my son. I then told him that I have no idea HOW you can do your job right now. Shamed him ass.

Never called/mailed my son again. He was a senior then too.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 09:23 AM
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45. when they stop lying, i will respect them
you know they are lying through their teeth to keep this war machine going. i blame recruiters like i blame every other citizen that could stop this war and doesn't.
it is pretty sad when a marine recruiter is chasing a high school drop out. although if they have his test scores, which i suppose they do, they know how smart he is. but i can't imagine why they would think that a smart kid who can't get through high school would make a good marine, unless they are looking for kids with problems that they can exploit. nobody wants their kid shot at, but this kid would not survive bootcamp.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:34 AM
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36. Say you've talked to him about it and he will only join
if his boyfriend joins too.... unfortunately his boyfriend is rather hesitant.

Then give him the boyfriends number (some wretched brat at his school).
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 06:43 AM
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39. Too bad they do not follow the same rules that bill collectors have to
One contact per day, period.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 07:14 AM
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43. Tell him to call Jeb's Son...little Georgie Prescott
a tour in the marines will do that putz a world of good...
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 07:17 AM
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44. The last two calls I had from recruiters for my son....
The next to last one. I posted this at DU

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=737575

OK... I just got a telephone call from an Army recruiter and he outright Updated at 8:08 PM

lied.

He asked to speak to my son, using my son's formal name, which no one calls him by, so I had a feeling it was a recruiter, and sure enough. I told him my son wasn't home, but isn't interested. He is going to college for film making. Well the recruiter then lied and said he had spoken to my son before, and that he was interested. I asked him when this conversation took place...and he stuttered and threw out a date from about a month ago. I said that was odd because my son was going to college. The recruiter then said I know, the University of Virginia. I then told him, you are greatly mistaken and you must be confusing my child with someone else. I then wished him a good day and hung up.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

(PS...the fact that he would never think of UVA is that we live in NY and he is going to a film school here and I couldn't imagine where he pulled UVA from)

Then a couple of weeks ago..this call

The recruiter asked to speak to my son and I said, he's not interested, he's going to college. The recruiter said well I have to speak to him. This is part of No Child Left Behind. I then said, NCLB? He's been out of hs for about a year now, why should NCLB affect him. The recruiter said well it does.. I said that doesn't make sense and said he's not interested and have a lovely day. And I hung up.
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