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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:25 PM
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Dean on Hardball...about the Clintons.."That's just gossip." Video
Video and transcript up at MSNBC now. Chris Matthews could have concentrated on so very many important topics, but he kept on about the Clintons' marriage. He was almost rude.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12979323/

Matthews brings up the Broder article, and goes on quite a while about it. Dean keeps saying it is gossip. Note the closing remark by Tweety.

DEAN: I think that's also gossip. Listen, I'm going to be tough on this stuff. I think gossip and silliness like that, in the long run, do not overcome the fact that somebody's got to do something about gas prices, that we've sent a ton of jobs to China, that we have a budget that's so far out of balance that our kids are in debt. Those are the issues that matter, not salacious gossip. And I don't care who writes it. I have a lot of respect for David Broder and “The New York Times." It's still gossip.

MATTHEWS: OK, thank you very much for your clear statement. Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, which does not engage in gossip.


And in between Tweety's trying to dig at him about Lieberman and the Clintons..Dean manages to get in a few words about how the Democrats will rebuild the economy.

DEAN: Two major plans. First, we are going to raise the minimum wage. It hasn't been raised for a long time federally—as soon as we get back in control. We believe if you work hard, you ought to be able to make enough of a living to support your family.

Secondly, we're going to create a new industry, an energy independence industry who retrofit tons and tons of American houses and businesses to save by conservation and to create a new industry which produces solar wind, ethanol, anything but oil.

We've got to get ourselves off the oil industry. And Pennsylvania, of course, with a huge coal industry, is made for a clean coal industry. Wind power out of the plains, rebuilding the electric grid so we can carry the power from where it's generated by renewable means to the big cities.


Our media is pathetic. Our Democrats have to fight to get any points out at all.





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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:28 PM
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1. Tweety is obsessed with Hil. plain and simple.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:58 PM
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6. I thought Tweety only had eyes for The Clenis.
Of course, I guess he could "go both ways", and fetishize both the 42nd President and the former First Lady.

"Fair and Balanced." That's what I always say.

--p!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:30 PM
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2. Hey, mf.... don't you know Dems don't have any PLAAAANNNNNSSSS???
Kerry had no messsssage.....

Kerry didn't fight baaaaaaack....

Dean screeeeeeamed......


Gore liiiiiiiiied..........


Clinton had a GIRRRRRLLLLLfriend........

The corporate media is what is WRONG in this country.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:32 PM
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3. I know, it is sickening. They have to know how they sound.
They have to be doing it on purpose and doing it to irritate. He tried every way he could to irritate Dean tonight. I guess it is put up with it or not go on the TV at all.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:38 PM
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5. We need just ONE network - just ONE that is in place to deal FAIRLY with
the news and information the American people need.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:26 PM
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9. Check out this paragraph from FDL....very true.
"And I would add that there is another equally pernicious dimension to this. This tabloidization of political news is almost exclusively focused on Democrats and gives the impression that the left is unserious. John Kerry’s butler and his strange, wealthy wife. Dean’s flinty personality and odd, reclusive wife. Gore’s pathological lying and his phony manhood. The list goes on. It’s all very "entertaining" but it makes people associate Democrats with celebrities in the most shallow sense."

http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/05/25/clinton-rules

It is very well planned.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 06:52 AM
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19. What, no coverage of Bush's phony ranch?
Let me be perfectly honest. I like to learn about the private side of candidates for President. I think most people do.

We know all about the Clintons history. We know that Bill has been spectacularly unfaithful to Hillary in the past and probably will be in the future. Anyone intending to support her has to take that into account. The important questions is was Bill Clinton the philanderer a better president than the presumably faithful George Bush? The answer is yes. Since they are still married after all they've gone through and have a relationship that works for them, who cares.

What I don't like is that while the press obsesses over the private lives of Democrats. You're right to point out the gossip over Dean's wife and the "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" version of the Kerry campeign--they gloss over equally interesting information that might tell us who Repubican candidates really are.

For example I don't hear about Bush's phony ranch--purchased in 1999 as a stage set for the campeign--and the fact that despite his penchant for prancing around in cowboy getup, that he's never been seen riding a horse much less working with cattle which presumably is what one does on a Texas cattle ranch.

Had the mainstream media payed as much attention to failed oilman Bush's attempts to turn himself into a home on the range sort of cowboy and taken as good a look at his military service and substance abuse as they did to Gore's agonizing over earth tones, we might not be stuck with this arrogant and incompetent disaster of a President.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 03:10 PM
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21. Way past the planning stage - they've been in executing stage since 1997.
.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:35 PM
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4. That's right, tweetybird..
We don't engage your gossip stories about the Clintons. We've got a Country to save!!

Dean looks a wee bit tired. He needs to rejuevenate.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:02 PM
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7. I saw him last week and he looked trim and better than ever. I guess the
last week has been a tough press week. I also think the Begala thing had a lot more meaning - I think the effers in the party are going to work to divide it quickly after November and force a takeover so they can push centrist candidates and a centrist agenda on the rest of us. Dean's moved too far left for their liking.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:29 PM
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11. That's great that
you got to see him last week! I know he's been working so much for us with all the giant obstacles in place.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 11:25 AM
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20. I meant on TV last week - but I did see him in person 3 weeks ago.
Remember the neighborhood doorknob campaign?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:12 PM
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8. Did you hear his daughter graduated from Yale recently?
And to have Begala hounding him, and the Washington Blade today calling for his resignation....I can see being tired.

On the C-Span conference last night with the mayors, he looked very good. But you are right, on the Hardball show today he did look tired.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:32 PM
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12. I didn't know Dean's
Edited on Thu May-25-06 10:33 PM by zidzi
daughter graduated from Yale..that's wonderful. I remember her from the 2003 launch party.

I have a very optimistic feeling that Dean is going to come out on top of all this and we are going to be the winnners!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 11:39 PM
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13. I agree.
Yep, she started at Yale about the time he began the campaign.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 01:26 AM
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17. In fact, graduated Monday.
He mentioned it during the press conference last night. Said Anderson Cooper was the commencement speaker.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:28 PM
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10. "gossip and silliness"
No shit. Fucking Media is WORTHLESS and should be ashamed of themselves, while people are dying in wars they helped promote based on lies they failed to investigate, and the planet faces REAL problems that need to be addressed NOW.

No wonder Colbert gave them hives.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:09 AM
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14. I think Tweety was at his positive lowest with this interview. I couldn't
believe how little he made himself look, whereas Howard took the highest road possible.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 01:08 AM
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15. My husband watched the video earlier...he was furious.
He could not believe Matthews was going on like that.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 05:17 AM
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18. And doing it tenaciously without any shame. It really was disgusting. eom
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 01:12 AM
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16. "...Democrats have to fight to get any points out at all"
"Our media is pathetic"
tap tap tap -PIN!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 08:10 PM
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22. Media Matters picks up on Hardball's obsession with the Clintons
http://mediamatters.org/items/200605260019

On Hardball, Matthews obsessed over Clintons' marriage
Summary: During the 5 p.m. ET hour of the May 25 edition of MSNBC's Hardball, host Chris Matthews asked at least 16 questions about the state of the marriage between Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) and former President Bill Clinton.

During the 5 p.m. ET hour of the May 25 edition of MSNBC's Hardball, host Chris Matthews asked at least 16 questions about the state of the marriage between Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) and former President Bill Clinton. In solo interviews with NBC News Washington bureau chief Tim Russert and Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean, as well as during a panel discussion with Cook Political Report editor and publisher Charlie Cook and Newsweek chief political correspondent Howard Fineman, Matthews repeatedly referenced a May 23 New York Times article and a May 25 column by Washington Post columnist David Broder -- both of which focused on the state of the Clintons' marriage. As Media Matters for America previously noted, the author of the Times story fueled Republican attacks on Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) during the 2004 presidential campaign, by engaging in similar speculation about Kerry's marriage. As Media Matters also pointed out, prior to his May 25 column, Broder had criticized journalists' focus on the private lives of politicians, lamenting that the American public was "choking on a surfeit of smut."

And then he gets Fineman and Cook to weigh on the Clinton marriage, after totally failing to get Dean to bite.

"MATTHEWS: Let me get out of Washington politics for a second to something that's much more fascinating. Hillary Clinton is married to Bill Clinton, the former president. Hillary Clinton, everyone believes, is running for president. The question is, according to The New York Times yesterday, a big front-page story, top of the fold. "When the subject of Bill and Hillary Clinton comes up, for many prominent Democrats these days, Topic A is the state of their marriage." Is that right? Is that a true account?

COOK: Privately, yes. I mean, that is -- any serious conversation about the Democratic presidential nomination, it comes up in about the first 10 minutes.

MATTHEWS: Howard, the question is -- I'll say it indelicately. The question is whether he is going to cause trouble in the news for her. Not what he's going to do, but is he going to cause her trouble in the news by his personal behavior? That is the question.

FINEMAN: That's the question, and that's what that story was designed to take a look at. What's his behavior been as a way of judging what his behavior may be like. Charlie is right. But it's a little larger than that. The question that you hear among Democrats is, yes, we can nominate her. She may even be inevitable as a nominee. But can she really win? And as you go down the list of questions under can she win, Topic A is Bill Clinton. Her own character, her own record, are others, but Topic A under that.

MATTHEWS: OK, let me follow this, we only have a minute here. If he becomes part of the news with his private life, does she have to end the relationship, the marriage, to win the presidency? Does she have to be that brutal, that much of a butcher? Can she simply forgive him again?"
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