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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:06 PM
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The Sixties were troubling times, but now seems so much worse.
I don't understand why I feel that way. We had much more strife on our streets back then, but Bushworld just feels so much worse.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:07 PM
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1. TPTB have had decades to put their plans in action. nt
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:07 PM
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2. At least you had Dylan
we got teen idols...
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:07 PM
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3. I would guess that at leas tin the 60s you felt like there was a hope of
things getting better.

Now, not so much. Even if we can fix all the political and financial damamge ** has wrought, we can't bring back ppl from the dead... and whether or not we can weather climate change... who knows?
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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:09 PM
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8. yes
There was hope, there was the feeling that we had the feeling that we had the power of numbers, we had a more objective press, protest music was played on the radio, Neil Young was actually young...
sigh..


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cspanlovr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:08 PM
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4. What's missing is optimism. We had it then, in spite of the trouble.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:08 PM
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5. Back then, we had Hope that the siuation would improve.
Now, I get the sense that we just Hope it doesn't get too much worse.
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tatertop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:09 PM
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6. I was active in the sixties: now seems infinitely worse.
In the sixties we had two viable parties.
Democrats still fought for the people.
I fear that day might be gone.
We are slipping into the realm of Orwell's "1984."
And the country is sleeping.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 02:25 PM
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28. Also th eparties weren't homogeneous
There were liberal and moderate Republicans - like Javitts and Percy. It wasn't a RW President with RW majorities in the house and Senate and a SC leaning right.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:09 PM
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7. In those days, people spoke out.
The corporations learned that free will is a no-no and by the 80s, an unwritten rule was in full force: Sing only about lovers, siblings, pets, lovers who are siblings or pets, or how it's sunny outside and not in a sarcastic way.
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:10 PM
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9. In the 60's at least I was not
worried about the mental state of the leaders of the United States of America. Now I am. Back then I had the sense that the people in power had the best interests of the citizens at heart. Today, not at all.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 02:26 PM
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29. Some of us were - he was pretty paranoid
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:12 PM
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10. If we HAD strife on the street now, it would be a release - it's building
now, but, even things like the internet are being used for release and it's keeping people OFF the street.
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pepperbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:14 PM
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11. please don't forget that all the strife in the streets....
was responsible for alot of social progress...civil rights, vietnam war, feminism...

we can only hope it's more effective today. :)
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:15 PM
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12. In the '60s we actually believed we could change things.
Unfortunately, history has proved that switiching bosses hasn't changed much of anything.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:16 PM
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13. the sixties were rough
Edited on Fri May-26-06 12:19 PM by alyce douglas
we did not have a sick psycho as President in office, who does not heed by the laws among the other criminal acts he committs. I think if anything happened to the Internet like them curtailing our access to it, we would be out in the streets, or if a draft came into the act, but these wingnuts believe in bunkerbusters and depleted uranium to kill people.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:21 PM
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14. Overly prozac-ed nation and a disingenuous media
is the big diff.

They've been planning this since then according to some.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:22 PM
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15. You're probably not Black. Otherwise, I agree. - n/t
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:35 PM
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19. You are correct on one level.
I'm not black, but my husband is. He commented to me recently that today this nation is a more terrifying because the evil is so insidious.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:42 PM
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22. Cool. I forgot to add...
...that most of the Black perspective I have comes from southern Blacks (I'm White).
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:25 PM
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16. That's exactly why it's worse.
In the sixties, people went out and raised hell about injustice.

Now people seem too demoralized, too busy just surviving, or too apathetic to get out and say "NO MORE!"
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:29 PM
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17. In the 60's industry provided jobs up and down the age ranges
But more importantly, the religious right did not have a lock on free speech, legislators and religion was not used as a wedge issue as it is now.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:34 PM
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18. yes, the abuse of religion by these people have alot to
do with this overthrow of government, and the media is so bad now, how can you have an educated and informed electorate if you don't give them the correct news, bad on all accounts, I'm glad some of us see the light of this corrupt insane government what 89,000 on this site alone, I wish we could pool all of our resources together and do something/anything.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:41 PM
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20. Why does today feel worse than the 60s? Because
for every Curtis ("Let's bomb Vietnam back into the Stone Ages") LeMay, the 1960s had a Martin Luther King, Jr. For every William ("There's light at the end of the tunnel") Westmoreland, the 1960s had a Robert F. Kennedy.

Who out there aside from Cindy Sheehan and Marcy Winograd (running in the Cal. Dem primary against Jane "War Pig" Harman) gives us hope these days to balance out the forces of the dark side? That explains the feeling you and I are having. However, Bush's approval ratings are down near where Nixon's were immediately preceding his resignation. That provides some comfort as the killing drags on and on.

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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:41 PM
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21. In the Sixties we were still sure we were the Good Guys
It was much easier to imagine that things like injustice, inequlity, militarism and dishonesty were aberrations. Forty or fifty years later, the world seems to be a much darker place.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:50 PM
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23. The 1960s were troubling, but relatively safe (Viet Nam the exception)
Now, the Bu$h regime is driving us backward down a narrow gravel mountain road at 80 mph with an eye in the rear-view mirror, one hand on the wheel, and the other hand on the loot. The sense of impending doom is palpable. Something has to give, and it ain't gonna be pretty.

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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:55 PM
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24. I feel like we are living in a
pressure cooker right now. :hide:
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 01:12 PM
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25. Snap out of it. It's hard not to look back and see things as better,
then, through our "memories so bent", but no way do I see things as worse now.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 01:12 PM
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26. I was in my 20's then and so had hope that my generation could change
Edited on Fri May-26-06 01:17 PM by sinkingfeeling
things. We were so involved in civil rights, women's rights, anti-VietNam, the war in Israel, etc. I don't see that involvement today on the campuses. It was still a time when people didn't crow about their religion and how 'good' they were and how evil every other civilization on the planet was (except the USSR). We were just beginning to understand how corrupt our government was and how much influence big business had in determining our collective fates. There was hope that we could take the country back to the basics of caring for people and ending war.

It's all gone for me now. We are living in a pseudo police state...you can be harassed or imprisoned for almost anything you say or do. With 60+% of Americans ready and eager to give up the Bill of Rights and do anything the government says for 'security', I find it hopeless.
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schmuls Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 02:17 PM
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27. The 60's didn't sociopaths and criminals running things and the
MSM enabling them. The strife on our streets was about injustices and the MSM reported it and brought it to the people. Now our great leader needs to be shielded from the truth by his henchmen so they hide away the protestors from the view of the bigshots and the MSM basically ignores it. This is like a nightmare that just won't end!
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