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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:32 PM
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An exercise in compassion (Galloway's statement)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060526/ap_on_re_eu/britain_galloway
Galloway: Blair's death would be justified

You are a radical Islamic fundamentalist that believes that your culture and society are being threatened by evil outsiders collectively know as THE WEST. How do you fight them?

If I recall my history correctly, the British felt that our American army acted like terrorist for failing to honor traditional military combat structure.
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:54 PM
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1. This is such an ignorant stupid vile remark.
I am no fan of Blair's (I actually despise him) but I have been impressed in the past with some of Galloway's positions. However this is BS.

The crux of the matter is that both Blair and radical Islamists are egoists who feel they each have the last word on truth. And being so full of themselves each feel morally righteous,acting as inspired followers of their respective gods.

For those who have to bear the brunt of these power-hungry egoists there is a great difference between Blair and Islamic fundies, namely Blair can be run out of office, but radical Islamists like the Taliban cannot, once they have power their is no dissent, there is no way out.

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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 02:16 PM
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2. he would have been better off not sayin it.
How should the taliban fight the west?
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 02:25 PM
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3. The taliban/other Islamists should forget about fighting the west
Edited on Fri May-26-06 02:26 PM by Hoping4Change
and get its own act in order. But that is not going to happen because being extremists they are incapable of doing what is required to get its act in order such as giving women full rights, allowing dissent, acknowledging that there is no right way to interprete their religion etc.

And what's with the notion of fighting the west anyway? The west is not the monolith Islamists wish it to be.

edit spelling
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 02:30 PM
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4. women's rights and dissent are western accomplishments
(or at least they were).

If you don't believe those things are proper, how would you stop their influence?
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 02:42 PM
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5. That's the problem. These groups of religious zealots don't think
these things are proper but their OPINION is not shared by 100% of their countrymen and women. However there is no room in their fanaticism to accomodate those who have other views.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 03:27 PM
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6. good point
peace
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 03:37 PM
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8. Bah. It's like saying gangsters should reform & promote drug rehab clinics
If they gave women equal rights, permitted dissent, and became religiously tolerant, they wouldn't be Islamists... they would be Turks or moderate Muslims like in Indonesia. Who they are depends on them being monomaniacal zealots with little regard for innocent life or human rights.
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 03:46 PM
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10. Actaully I share your view. I was being somewhat facetious when
I wrote that they ought to reform. Like you I too believe that because they are extremists internal reform is beyond them.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 03:35 PM
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7. Small point about the Revolutionary War:
Most of our battles were fought in a traditional, European fashion. Long Island, Princeton, Brandywine, Germantown, most aspects of Saratoga(except for sniping officers), Monmouth, Camden, Guilford Courthouse, etc were all set piece European battles. Only a handful were fought with guerrilla type tactics.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 03:41 PM
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9. But it's worth noting they were more pissed with Washington's tactics
There was far more disdain pointed at Washington (from primary sources I've read) for failing to give them the satisfaction of a miliary showdown year after year than with the relatively few hit-and-run raiders of the Marion and Clark variety. They still considered the Americans rustics for how they fought.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 04:08 PM
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11. He gave them big military showdowns in 1776, 1777, and 1778.
We lost most of them. Most of Washington's campaigns were much more conventional than he is given credit for. The nasty guerrilla stuff was part of an overall strategy, but mainly implemented by local commanders in areas like western New York and the south.

In the end the war was won by the brilliant maneuvers first of Nathanael Greene in the south and then the trapping of Cornwallis at Yorktown. The guerrilla campaigns played a role, but not a large one. That is more myth than fact. I used to believe that nonsense myself until I studied the war more closely. It is American populist schlock and little more.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 04:11 PM
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12. we owe the french
To pretend it was not the french intervention that did the saving,
the presumption of colonial imperial power is overimpressed.
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